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Équipe: 2018-19 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 11 oct. 2018
Publié: 11 oct. 2018
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11 oct. 2018 à 18 h 30
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No
11 oct. 2018 à 18 h 34
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You haven't been watching Matthews. It doesn't make the Leafs better. Leafs would get a 6.5m cap hit for for eight years for now the 28 year old OEL. That contract might have be the new Weber deal.
11 oct. 2018 à 18 h 35
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Where's Willy?

Probably get more out of Keller as a winger. And you're saving money for the wrong years, unless you think that ARI would retain that much on OEL's 6-year extension (don't think it's even legal, let alone realistic).
11 oct. 2018 à 18 h 36
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im presuming this is a joke????
11 oct. 2018 à 18 h 39
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Matthews wouldn't even get you the two of those guys. He's overrated.
11 oct. 2018 à 18 h 59
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Matthews wouldn't even get you the two of those guys. He's overrated.


Overrated... care to explain?
11 oct. 2018 à 19 h 7
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Overrated... care to explain?


I will admit that I thought Nylander made him good bc he was saucing nice passes right on the blade

and I was very wrong. Matthews is a top 5 center
11 oct. 2018 à 19 h 24
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I will admit that I thought Nylander made him good bc he was saucing nice passes right on the blade

and I was very wrong. Matthews is a top 5 center


I'd upgrade that to top 5 player, maybe even top 3.
11 oct. 2018 à 19 h 25
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im presuming this is a joke????


Or trolling, It's not even close.
11 oct. 2018 à 19 h 26
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Yeah not happening, No way Matthews is getting dealt, Fat chance of either OEL or Keller getting dealt.
11 oct. 2018 à 22 h 39
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Yeah not happening, No way Matthews is getting dealt, Fat chance of either OEL or Keller getting dealt.


For Matthews? I think the Coyotes would jump at the deal. I live in Phoenix and go to a lot of Coyotes games. OEL is not a great defender. He’s a better version of Jake Gardiner and Keller is a good not great smallish forward who is a poor man’s Mitch Marner. Matthews is a generational talent and would only be traded if they could get McDavid in return.
12 oct. 2018 à 10 h 44
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Quoting: Jamiepo
No


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You haven't been watching Matthews. It doesn't make the Leafs better. Leafs would get a 6.5m cap hit for for eight years for now the 28 year old OEL. That contract might have be the new Weber deal.


Matthews is the one player Arizona couldn't refuse. Kelller was 3rd in the Calder on a crap team. OEL is perhaps better than Karlsson, and imagine a cost of $6 million for his prime years.
This wasn't a trade proposal, but a thought experiment (because no GM has the guts to trade Matthews or mcdavid).
Don't underestimate how powerful Tavares is, or how much less time the Leafs would spend in their own end with OEL on the team.

Quoting: A_K
Where's Willy?

Probably get more out of Keller as a winger. And you're saving money for the wrong years, unless you think that ARI would retain that much on OEL's 6-year extension (don't think it's even legal, let alone realistic).


Yeah, I forgot to add Willy's contract. ARI can retain 50% of up to 2 contracts at a time. It is a big ask for an offer they can't refuse. Not that it would happen, just asking if other people think the Leafs are a better franchise after.

Quoting: paulmull
im presuming this is a joke????


No, it was phrased as a question if the Leafs win more in the playoffs over the next decade.

Quoting: Bf3351
Matthews wouldn't even get you the two of those guys. He's overrated.


Fine, I take it you vote for the Leafs being a more successful playoff team afterwards.

Quoting: tmljk22
Overrated... care to explain?


Quoting: linehan10
I will admit that I thought Nylander made him good bc he was saucing nice passes right on the blade

and I was very wrong. Matthews is a top 5 center


Quoting: LoganOllivier
I'd upgrade that to top 5 player, maybe even top 3.


Quoting: Larkinisking
Or trolling, It's not even close.


Quoting: Larkinisking
Yeah not happening, No way Matthews is getting dealt, Fat chance of either OEL or Keller getting dealt.


The question wasn't whether the trade was fair, it was did it make the Leafs better as a team in the terms of playoff wins. The trade isn't happening, so it was more important for it to be easy to swallow.

Quoting: aporter0509
For Matthews? I think the Coyotes would jump at the deal. I live in Phoenix and go to a lot of Coyotes games. OEL is not a great defender. He’s a better version of Jake Gardiner and Keller is a good not great smallish forward who is a poor man’s Mitch Marner. Matthews is a generational talent and would only be traded if they could get McDavid in return.


Yeah, if the Leafs could get McDavid I would have zero problems blowing up the whole team and restarting the rebuild around him. He would move the needle for Arizona and maybe they could sell out some games.
12 oct. 2018 à 10 h 48
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2 votes for fewer playoff wins over the next decade.
0 for more playoff wins
0 for more stanley cup wins

Unless Dubas repeats by signing a UFA D, there is zero chance of the conference finals in the next 3 years due to a non-existent D corp and pipeline.
Leafs with Tavares and OEL could make a cup run every year for the next 10
12 oct. 2018 à 11 h 1
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Quoting: tatatavares
Matthews is the one player Arizona couldn't refuse. Kelller was 3rd in the Calder on a crap team. OEL is perhaps better than Karlsson, and imagine a cost of $6 million for his prime years.
This wasn't a trade proposal, but a thought experiment (because no GM has the guts to trade Matthews or mcdavid).
Don't underestimate how powerful Tavares is, or how much less time the Leafs would spend in their own end with OEL on the team.



Yeah, I forgot to add Willy's contract. ARI can retain 50% of up to 2 contracts at a time. It is a big ask for an offer they can't refuse. Not that it would happen, just asking if other people think the Leafs are a better franchise after.



No, it was phrased as a question if the Leafs win more in the playoffs over the next decade.



Fine, I take it you vote for the Leafs being a more successful playoff team afterwards.











The question wasn't whether the trade was fair, it was did it make the Leafs better as a team in the terms of playoff wins. The trade isn't happening, so it was more important for it to be easy to swallow.



Yeah, if the Leafs could get McDavid I would have zero problems blowing up the whole team and restarting the rebuild around him. He would move the needle for Arizona and maybe they could sell out some games.


If the question is, "Does this trade make the Leafs better?" Its a resounding no. Unless you are trading Matthews for McDavid, the answer is no. Matthews is already one of the best players in the world, trading him for anyone outside of McDavid is a bad trade. It doesn't matter what the pieces coming back are.
12 oct. 2018 à 11 h 3
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2 votes for fewer playoff wins over the next decade.
0 for more playoff wins
0 for more stanley cup wins

Unless Dubas repeats by signing a UFA D, there is zero chance of the conference finals in the next 3 years due to a non-existent D corp and pipeline.
Leafs with Tavares and OEL could make a cup run every year for the next 10


Zero chance, this guy says. Have you watched any hockey this year? The Leafs could use a guy to replace Hainsey but they have been the better team in all but the first game. They are giving up goals yes but so is just about everyone. Just take a breath and stop panicking. Trading away our elite youth for defenceman leaving their prime isn't going to make the team better. Their stars entering their primes and getting better each year is where they will win the most games.
12 oct. 2018 à 11 h 5
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2 votes for fewer playoff wins over the next decade.
0 for more playoff wins
0 for more stanley cup wins

Unless Dubas repeats by signing a UFA D, there is zero chance of the conference finals in the next 3 years due to a non-existent D corp and pipeline.
Leafs with Tavares and OEL could make a cup run every year for the next 10


We will see how the leafs do, the only weakness on the D I think is a major issue right now is hansey. I think if anyone were to be moved for a D man it would be nylander but we have been drafting and developing really well. Dermott zaitsev and Reilly have looked great this year.
 
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