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Forum: Armchair-GM3 août 2020 à 11 h 0
Sujet: Rakell Price - Make Offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kotkaniemi15</b></div><div>I’m a habs fan, I’ve been watching Chucky for years, I don’t need to “check his numbers”. He hasn’t been as good since he got injured from the knee-on-knee with Kopitar. Galchenyuk didn’t work out in Arizona, he didn’t work out in Pittsburgh, and I’m not saying he won’t be useful for Minnesota, but the reason he was in that trade was to get the cap to work out for the Pens.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-width="550" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No salary retained either way in the deal. Mind you, Minny taking Galchenyuk in the deal makes it work cap wise for Pittsburgh <a href="https://t.co/Xz81Pb37hT">https://t.co/Xz81Pb37hT</a></p>&mdash; Pierre LeBrun (@PierreVLeBrun) <a href="https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1227042608930861056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2020</a></blockquote>
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So you think 19 goals and 41 pts in 72 games for ARI = didn't work out? SMH! I have no idea how you can call a player with 4 months left on contract a "cap dump", especially one that is only 26 years old and producing 15-20 goals and 40-50 pts a season. Literally makes no sense, but whatever fits your narrative (Galc was a letdown in MTL and you hate him - we get it!)

What does that tweet prove? Moving/taking on cap to make a deal work isn't the same as trading a "cap dump". In fact the tweet refutes your point by confirming that Galc was moved to make the cap work. Your argument would hold more water if PIT didn't need to move Galc for cap reasons, but did anyway to be rid of his cap. However, the opposite is true and the deal literally could not have happened without cap going the other way to MIN... LMFAO!!
Forum: Armchair-GM3 août 2020 à 8 h 4
Sujet: Rakell Price - Make Offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ItWasIn</b></div><div>I think you could get a very similar package to what Zucker went for.

1st
Calen Addison (RHD)
Alex Galchenyuk (you can argue he's a 2nd liner)</div></div>

I think that is the kind of return we should target.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kotkaniemi15</b></div><div>Galchenyuk was a cap dump for the Pens. They aren’t getting a 2nd liner + a 1st and a prospect.</div></div>

Go and check Galc's numbers, he's not a cap dump. At 26 years old and producing 17-19 goals and 40-50 pts a season, he's a legitimate contributor at the NHL level. Just because he never became a top line player doesn't mean he's a bust.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>keep_ups12</b></div><div>your not getting a second line winger (which is what Rakell is) a middle pairing defenseman (or a defenseman who has that potential) and a first for Rakell.

I mean I would Hollowel, Johnsson and a 3rd for him ;)</div></div>

I assume you're joking?

Edit: I see you were.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafs_and_Sens_Fan</b></div><div>Wait are you wanting all 3 pieces for him or just one of the 3 pieces.

Athanasiou + Larsson + 3rd round pick</div></div>

Nice offer. Could work for a contender, but not for a rebuilding team though.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xqb15</b></div><div>I still think the best offer out there I have seen is Timmins and 1st.</div></div>

It's not bad (I wouldn't be upset about it), but I'd want an additional piece. Timmins would be a good add, but that 1st will be late. COL adding Rakell would help to solidify their top 6 and make them a legit contender. Maybe Jost + Timmins + 1st.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DriveFor25</b></div><div>Rakell for DeAngelo base makes sense</div></div>

Not really. We need a RHD prospect and DeAngelo is going to want a massive contract. I'd pass. Nils Lundeqvist would work from the NYR, but I doubt they'd move him. Moreover, it is not like they need another LWer.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 juill. 2020 à 7 h 16
Sujet: Quiet Offseason Options
Reasonable deals. I still hope we go for a forward this year though. Soderberg could be a decent add, but I'm cool just going ahead with what we have. I suspect next season will be a weird one.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>he put up 7 goals in 55 games last year. Do you really think he has leverage to be asking anything like that?
It's an over pay. 1-1.5 range is my guess.</div></div>

Agreed. Kid looked good in the few games he played in ANA, but you can never judge a players ability on those first 10-20 games. I am hoping that a change of scenery turns Milano into what everyone thought he'd be, but I suspect his attitude will come back to haunt him. I wouldn't pay more than $1.5M for 2 years. It's a "show me" contract.
Forum: Armchair-GM9 juill. 2020 à 9 h 50
Forum: Armchair-GM9 juill. 2020 à 9 h 44
Sujet: Ducks Fans - RHD Options this Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>But I think a primarily defensive guy is just what we need alongside Cam Fowler. I'm not saying that Cam is defensively deficient, <strong>I think he's fine there; it's just that Cam has enough offense for the two of them. <strong> </div></div>

Maybe, but I've never been impressed with Cam's offence. His outlet pass is good, but that is on the transition which we all know he is excellent at. Once the team is setup in the O-zone, his lack of a threatening shot and average vision/creativity really shows. I don't think Fowler is bad offensively, but it's just not a strong part of his game. I think he's much better defensively, especially in this new-era of hockey which is faster and where more points are scored on the rush. Admittedly, if I had to choose, I think I would go with someone more defensive as a partner for Fowler, but that pairing is always just going to be lackluster IMO.

Fowler + Weber/Jones would be ideal. Someone who is a little slower in transition, but that brings a booming shot and can make up for Fowler's physical deficiencies. I think in future drafts, we should be going hard after a Weber/Jones-esq D-man, I'd be all over a D-prospect in this years draft if they had someone like a Provorov or Seider.</strong></strong>
Forum: Armchair-GM8 juill. 2020 à 8 h 43
Sujet: Ducks Fans - RHD Options this Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Arlotti47</b></div><div>Only problem with Pietro is he’s gonna ask for a FAT contract</div></div>

He'd be worth it. I think 9M for 7 years is a fair deal. His game isn't particular aggressive, so I have few concerns about a massive drop off in his game during the first 4-5 years of that deal. Having said that, I doubt he'd be willing to move out West.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jah1722</b></div><div>Hakanpää or Pietrangelo. Or a trade for a young RFA a team can’t afford <strong>ie Cernak Sergachev etc</strong>.

Edit: you might have missed the one UFA RHD that makes the most sense, Vatanen even tho I’d pass.</div></div>

The bold would probably be the most ideal.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>De Melo is my number one choice in all my "Dream Summer" scenarios. I'd pay him $4 million for 5 years; Toronto authority <a href="/users/SammyT_51" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@SammyT_51</a> would pay him that for 6 years.

I'd sign Pietrangelo for $9 million for 6 years if that was his price.

I wouldn't object to re-signing Korbinian for up to $1.25 million as a depth move if we can't keep Hakanpaa or the staff decide he can't do it.

I'd like to know what everyone thinks about how far on the shady side of the hill Travis Hamonic is, but I heard he's partial to western Canada.

What about Radko Gudas?</div></div>

I'm not that high on DeMelo. Seems like a guy that all the advanced stat lovers like, but I haven't been as impressed watching him play. Hamonic is too defensive for our needs. Honestly, for me, it is either Pietrangelo or look for a trade/draft.
Forum: Armchair-GM7 juill. 2020 à 21 h 26
Sujet: Anaheim offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dan10900</b></div><div>Yeah, Cernak would be another good one, assuming we want to keep Lindholm-Manson together, we should def target someone a bit more defensively minded than Montour to play with Fowler</div></div>

I've said it before, but the D-partner that Fowler really needs is an elite #1D. Someone like Pietrangelo would be perfect, but a prime Weber would have been best (more physical). Fowler is the epitome of a transition D-man and doesn't really excel on offence or defence. Therefore, to really shine, he needs someone who can make-up for those weaknesses in his game (which is why he's never been great with Lindholm because Lindholm is poor at generating offence too). Fowler can lead a 2nd pairing, but I believe his optimum role is as a complimentary partner to an elite talent on the top pairing. It won't happen, but:

Fowler - Pietrangelo
Lindholm - Manson
Djoos - Gudbranson

Would be a godly set of D pairings. Not to mention they'd have Gibson in net.
Forum: Armchair-GM2 juill. 2020 à 20 h 40
Sujet: French Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Arlotti47</b></div><div>Ouch. Every time I seem to put Fowler for Domi I get things saying “Fowler is worth that” and **** like that... <strong>pretty sure no one ever agrees on any post on this website</strong></div></div>

I'm sure that you'll never get 100% agreement from every fan. Having said that, I've seen deals where the majority of fans will agree. However, at the end of the day, there are just very few deals capable of meeting the needs of both teams whilst providing fair value. I mean, I can literally think of a handful of deals that would meet that criteria for ANA right now and I'm not sure they would be that well received by the opposing team. So when you come on here and make 20-30 GM posts a week, I'm pretty confident in saying that most of them are going to receive a poor response.

You're welcome to make trade suggestions, but what I will say is that most of them come across as poorly thought through and "trades for trades sake". Undervaluing our guys to get a positive response from opposing fans won't change that.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BuckoJoyde</b></div><div><a href="/users/mytduxfan" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@mytduxfan</a> As somebody thats been accused of undervaluing duck players in the past too I would agree this is too low, but I would infer me and <a href="/users/Arlotti47" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Arlotti47</a> will sorta of be in the right come the time they are actually traded(unless a extension is agreed upon, therefore value will be much more significant) ,walk for nothing or maybe sign for to much her in ANA. Nevertheless, this trade will never happen but I get the idea and plus I have a mild suspicion Rakell and Lindholm resigning here on team friendly deals will depend on them both being on the team together. Aren't they like best buds? I know its not the end all be all but I wouldn't be shocked if it were a huge reason they would like to stay in ANA.</div></div>

I will never understand the logic that you should trade any pending UFA because they might walk. It is just a nonsensical thought process and one that isn't backed by the numbers. Provided a team wants to keep a player, they tend to stay with their clubs. If they don't, they've usually expressed a degree of unhappiness or a desire leave prior. I haven't heard Rakell or Lindholm request a trade or complain about the team or its management (except comment about RC). I mean, based on your logic Henrique, Silf and Fowler would have walked. Kesler would have walked. Getz and Perry would have walked.... oh... but they didn't. In fact, the only meaningful player I can remember walking was Perreault. There is more to hockey then money and most player would prefer not uprooting their families and moving to whole new city to make a little extra.

In terms of "overpaying", no one in ANA right now is overpaid. The term of some contracts may be a little longer than I would like, but that's the name of the game. Getzlaf is on the decline, Kesler is on IR, Perry fell off a cliff. Does that mean we shouldn't have signed those guys to those deals and let them walk? **** no. The name of the game is winning the SC and that requires talent and talent costs money. I am not here to have the team who is the best at keeping costs down and having the most prospects. I want my team to win championships. If that means we end up having guys on contracts that take them into their mid-to-late 30s, so be it.

As far as I am aware, Rakell and Lindholm are close, but I don't think they're joined at the hip. If one is moved, I am sure the other will see it for what it is, part of the business. Seriously, some fans on here really treat players like they're irrational 12 year olds who can't be reasoned with.

I very much doubt we'll get to test your theory that you'll "be in the right" when Rakell/Lindholm is trade. If Rakell is traded soon for anything less than a 1st + top prospect, GMBM should be fired. Same is true if Lindholm is traded at all.
Forum: Armchair-GM1 juill. 2020 à 8 h 55
Sujet: Philly Fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AFOX10900</b></div><div>Those guys (other than Kane and Ovi) are franchise guys, I would guess most "great first line wingers" are probably elite imo

I agree, I'd rather have elite C's than W's, but we aren't giving up any elite C's here, and most teams win with two 1C capable players, which if we draft Rossi, we'll have... and most teams that do win have an elite winger (Pasta/Marchand, Oviish, Guentzel year 2, Kane x3, Datsyuk in 08 in DET etc)

sadness... and I thought Ritchie was really good (compared to most people)</div></div>

Okay, perhaps your definitions make a little more sense i.e. 1st liner --&gt; elite --&gt; franchise --&gt; generational. I often use "elite" to describe the very best players at their respective positions, but franchise might be better. In that case, I think we need a "franchise" C to become a real competitor and, probably, a franchise D. I'd be interested to here your thoughts on our prospects and their projected outcomes. For me:

Zegras - Elite 1st liner
Steel - mid-6er
Comtois - Elite 1st liner
Lundestrom - mid-6er
Jones - bottom 6er
Tracey - mid-6er
Terry - mid-6er
BOG - bottom 6er

Larsson - bottom pairing
Guhle - bottom pairing/AHLer
Mahura - bottom pairing
Thrun - bottom 4.
LaCombe - top 4D
Andersen - bottom pairing

The other thing I have difficulty with is that most of our guys are playmakers, which makes it very difficult to build a line-up that I'd feel comfortable saying is competitive. Rossi would be a great addition. Again, I'm not sure I see franchise C in him though. However, his scoring touch would be most welcome.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 juin 2020 à 16 h 43
Sujet: Philly Fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AFOX10900</b></div><div>we also don't have any future elite wingers (which TK fixes) and while those players can play wing, that doesn't mean they all will, our forward depth is fine, (Steel 2C, Comtois 2W Terry 2/3W, Lundestrom 3C/W, BOG 2/3C, Heinen/Milano 2/3W, Jones 3W) and all we're really giving up here is depth (by depth I mean anything other than first liners lol)</div></div>

Well maybe that's the problem here because I don't think Konecny is an elite winger. I mean, you're talking about a guy that has a max season point total of 61 pts with only 24 goals. For me, when you're talking about "elite wingers" you're talking about Panarin, Pastrnak, Marchand, Kane, Kucherov (and obviously Ovi)... guys who can produce 40+ goals and/or 90+ pts a season. I don't think Konecny is at that level and likely never will be. He's still a great top line winger, but not elite for me.

In any event, I don't believe we need an elite winger to win a cup. PIT never had an elite winger when they won, neither did LA. What they did have was a deep set of Cs fronted by an elite C. We don't have that yet. Although I believe Zegras is on a trajectory to become a top line C, I don't think he'll be elite. Hence, I think we need to another C. We should also continue to bolster the backend and hopefully find an elite option there too. Elite Cs make the wingers around them better. I'd rather be strong down the middle and compliment those Cs with competent wingers. Comtois could be a 30 goal scorer. If we add Rossi or Raymond this year, that gives us another option. Tracey could end up another top 6 option. We've got Milano, Terry, and could move Steel to the wing. Lots of options, just need to find chemistry. However, the whole premise is based on the idea that you have the top-end C talent.

It is shame that we missed on Ritchie. Can you imagine how we'd be if that was an Ehlers or Nylander!
Forum: Armchair-GM30 juin 2020 à 13 h 1
Sujet: Philly Fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AFOX10900</b></div><div>We have enough quantity at C, Getz-Zegras-Steel-BOG-Rico (in no particular order) in the top 9 over the next few years and we're basically just upgrading Raks to TK</div></div>

Getzlaf is on the decline. Rico can play wing. Steel may not stay at C. We have 1 legit top 6 C option in Zegras lined up for the future. Our C depth is okay, but we're going to get destroyed by LA once their guys come through unless we do something about it (Byfield/Stutzle, Turcotte, Vilardi, Kupari, Thomas). IMO, we need another elite 1C option if we're to be a serious competitors down the line as well as an elite 1D, preferably RH. Perhaps Rossi can be that 1C option. Otherwise, I think we need a couple more high picks before we're ready to go. It's just a shame we don't have any future elite D-men in the system as they tend to take longer to develop.

I am not against moving Rakell, but the difference between Rakell and Konecny isn't Lundestrom + a bunch of picks (Ghost is worth like a 3rd right now).
Forum: Armchair-GM30 juin 2020 à 7 h 19
Sujet: Trading for the 8th overall -- long term
I don't think its a bad deal in terms of value, I just don't think it makes sense. The whole "chemistry" narrative between Raymond and Holtz doesn't add up when you consider they are both natural RWs, so competing for the same position, and don't play on the same team in the SHL. They literally only play together for Sweden and, even then, they're not on the same line.

Overall, LW just isn't a need for us and I wouldn't want to invest in two RWs like that (like Laine and Connor in WPG right now). As OldNYIfan says, if Drysdale + Raymond + Holtz were available, it might be worth considering as we could address the core weaknesses in our prospect pool in one go. However, I very much doubt Drysdale makes it past DET and OTT. In that case, I think it makes more sense for us to just draft one of Rossi or Raymond and to keep Rakell and Henrique as veteran leaders for the near-future.