25 jan 2017
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I'd do the top 3 deals. Although I am not a massive fan of the COL deal. However, that does seem to be Rakell's going rate.
Getzlaf stays for me and I doubt we'd take back Montour. Murray really didn't like him. Moreover, we need some veteran leaders and Henrique has deep playoff experience, he's also incredibly versatile and a good role model.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>I'm not interested in trying to tear players down, but the fact of the matter is that Manson's play over the last couple of years doesn't justify this return. Again, I'm a fan of his, and I think he'd fit in well with the Leafs, but this is more than they gave for Muzzin, who is the superior player. I wouldn't hate an offer of Liljegren + 2nd.</div></div>
If ANA secured Lundkvist from NYR in exchange for Lindholm, I would think Liljegren + 2nd for Manson would be a very strong offer. In this scenario, I don't think Dermot is make or break either.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Trading 7 veteran regulars is too much turnover -- that's not a re-tooling, it's a complete reconstruction. We'd only have Fowler and the expiring Gudbranson left from our core. John Gibson deserves better. Plus, you're only getting 6 regulars back, and two of them (Bennett and Johansson) are less than earthshaking. As to the actual trades:
Rakell = Timmins plus the first
Manson = Kapanen plus the second
No need for the Getzlaf trade, and he wouldn't waive anyway even if we asked him to, which we wouldn't
If we only made one trade this off-season, I'd choose the Rangers one
I don't think the return from the Buffalo trade is worth losing two of our top 6 forwards
I'd offer De Melo $4 million for 5 years
Sherwood didn't make any impression in his 10-game audition in the NHL this season, so I don't see him getting a 40% raise</div></div>
Rakell deal = seems very risky on our end. Timmins isn't a bluechip prospect IMO and the 1st is going to be mid-to-late round. Would rather do the Bear + 1st (more proven) for Rakell deal with EDM. Although, I'd prefer just hold onto him. I think Rakell is getting criminally undervalued because of his down years. Everyone knows he's going to bounce back once he's moved and are trying to get him on the cheap. He's worth more than Zucker.
Manson = yuck! No thanks. Pointless trade that achieves nothing.
Getzlaf = the value is there, but I suspect CGY doesn't even consider it. Moreover, we should be retiring Getzlaf unless he requests a trade. He's done right by us all these years and, given our whole selling point to big name players is that "we're a nice team to play for", I think shipping our captain and one of our all-time greats kind of muddies that reputation.
Lindholm = It's the only deal I'd strongly consider it. Lundkvist would be an extremely attractive addition for the future and we have a bunch of LHD prospects coming through. Could also add Drysdale at the draft to solidify the RH side for many years to come.
Silf + Henrique = again, the value is there, but I wouldn't do the deal because we need some veterans. Henrique is one of the few players on roster to have gone all the way to SCF. Meanwhile, Silf has really stepped up and is a playoff beast.
This is more of a rebuild than a retool IMO. However, this would be a good start to a rebuild.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bsilk18</b></div><div>Fair, I will say, if it was just a 2nd to take on Backes, bruins woulda done it with any team way earlier because they woulda been happy with that, so I think Kase's Injurys didnt help, but yeah maybe like 75% of the first was for Backes and 25% was with Axel for Kase or something</div></div>
The 2nd for Backes (retained) is just my interpretation of how the Kase deal breaks down. I doubt anyone would take on Backes for a 2nd, even with retention. If that were true, like you say, BOS would have made that deal already. IMO, the 1st had to come along with Backes, but BOS clearly didn't feel that moving him was worth a 1st alone. Moreover, they wanted to use that 1st to bolster their roster. Therefore, using the retention system + adding other expendable assets (Axel) to convert dumping Backes into more of a hockey trade made the most sense. I think it's a smart, if somewhat risky (because of Kase's injury history), move by BOS, but, ultimately, a necessary one if they're serious about going all the way this time around.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AFOX10900</b></div><div>Miller outside of BUF is actually p good, and how badness in BUF I think is overstated, yeah he was a scratch, but they have one of the deepest RD groups in the game, and they love Risto for whatever reason, I'd much prefer Miller over Risto and probably Montour as well, I'd probably do that trade, the other two are horrible from the ducks perspective tho,</div></div>
Agreed, but not at the expense of Groulx, who could end up a solid, cost-controlled bottom 6 energy guy. He also won't require protection at the ED. Miller would be nice 3rd pairing addition and PP specialist, but his contract is prohibitive. He's very overpaid.