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Forum: NHL26 mai 2023 à 21 h 6
Sujet: What are some teams that prohibit their GMs from trading 1st round picks?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>UpsideDownQue</b></div><div>Avs very rarely trade their 1st round picks - have only traded one since Sakic took over in 2013 (sent 2022 1st in a package for Kuemper)

I disagree about not building a team through trades though. You definitely need the draft to get your core but once you have that trades are the best way to add to the team. Avs cup team had tons of players acquired by trade:

E Johnson
Girard
Burakovsky
Kadri
Toews
Kuemper
Compher
Manson
Lehkonen
Sturm
Cogliano

OTT has their core already and if they can get good value in a trade for someone with term they should go for it to fill out the rest of the roster</div></div>

Of the players you listed, I would guess at least half of them were offered to Sakic by their former teams with a price tag of at least one 1st.

And that Sakic time and time again showed tremendous discipline while resisting the urge to cough up a first.

Kudos to him.

We need someone like that in Ottawa :cheers



I will say that teams should indeed build themselves up by trading and adding pieces.

And that any draft pick and any asset should be on the table.

As long as it's not an unused first round pick.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 févr. 2023 à 13 h 29
Sujet: DNVR - Karanliktan Sonra
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>UpsideDownQue</b></div><div>I have code which automatically calculates TOI% using moneypuck's line data which is a bit more accurate

<img class="for_img" src="https://i.imgur.com/wyruNvN.png" alt="wyruNvN.png">

23.5% with JJ
19.1% with EJ
18.3% with Makar
12% with Toews
11.1% with Byram
8.9% with Manson
5.3% with Murray
1.8% with MacDermid


Definitely a lot of line switching but theres still 100+ minute sample sizes with him paired with good D men where the numbers look bad. Plently of D men have multiple partners over the course of the season, even in 20-21 during Girard's peak season he had lots of line switching too (Toews 30.8%, MacDonald 17.5%, Graves 17.2%, Makar 15.1%, Byram 9.6%, Timmins 6.3%, Nemeth 1.8%, Renouf 1.7%). I dont think that excuses his poor numbers the past 2 seasons

I like the Byram-Makar and Toews-Girard pairs too. We will probably see some D line juggling anyway with EJ injured - and they should probably add a D at the deadline for the 3rd pair too</div></div>

Beautiful, thanks for sending. I’d argue that Girard’s peak was right at the start of his Avs tenure when he was playing next to EJ. I don’t think I’m trying to excuse his numbers, more just contextualize. He’s definitely the 4th best defenseman at best on the Avs (a byproduct of Makar/Toews/Byram all being awesome). I think it’d be a smart coaching move to deploy Girard with a higher end partner and spread the top 4 load. But I also don’t have a Stanley cup, so what do I know lol
Forum: Armchair-GM22 févr. 2023 à 12 h 6
Sujet: DNVR - Karanliktan Sonra
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>UpsideDownQue</b></div><div>I dont think positional ranking is the best way to determine if a player is 1C caliber anyway

It should be based on how good the player is, not based on how many 1C positions are available - just because there are 32 teams doesnt mean its impossible to have more than 32 players in the world who are capable of succeeding in that 1C role.</div></div>

oh yeah, you obviously have situations like Crosby/Malkin where the "2C" would clearly be a 1C on most of the rest of the teams in the league, same with McDavid/Draisatl, Stamkos/Point, or even as much as it pains me, Matthews/Tavares.

But I do think it's fair to say that if you're saying the single most important factor in determining a 1C is point production, and a guy falls in the low-30s in a 32 team league, I think it at least forces the discussion as opposed to just shutting it down (I think there also should be something to be said for Nelson being 12th overall in goals during that same window going back to the beginning of the 2020-21 season!)
Forum: Armchair-GM22 févr. 2023 à 10 h 47
Sujet: DNVR - Karanliktan Sonra
I think everyone's getting hung up on the extremely arbitrary "1C vs. 2C" argument here, so let's lay out some basic stuff:

Over his past 3 seasons (from 2019-20 through last year), Brock Nelson had 81 goals and 146 points in 196 GP, which averages out to about a 33-28-61 pace over 82 games. This season he's a hair under a PPG (57 points in 60 GP) while scoring goals at a 35 goal pace (26 scored to date).

Regardless of where you put him on your depth chart - he's scored at a 30-35 goal pace over the past 4 seasons, and in this ACGM Colorado would be getting him for 2 years at a $5M AAV. For some context, here are some centers currently on $5-6M AAV contracts

Mikael Granlund
JG Pageau
Ryan Strome
Charlie Coyle
Joel Eriksson Ek
Philip Danualt
Andrew Copp
Vincent Trocheck
William Karlsson

The only guy I think you could argue is providing better value on their deal is Eriksson Ek - and this is his first run where he's scored at more than a 45-50 point pace in his career. Bo Horvat just signed an $8.5M AAV extension based on a career very similar to Nelson's; hell, one of the reasons Colorado is looking for a 2C is because Nazem Kadri just signed for a $7M AAV after basically putting up Brock Nelson-style numbers with an extra helping of secondary assists goosing him up (even with what looks like an outlier season, Kadri's 3 year window from 2019-20 through last year averaged out to a 27-44-71 season in Colorado.)

Point is, getting a guy like Nelson at $5M would be a bargain. I don't think the Islanders would be trading him for a guy like Sam Girard if they moved him - nothing against Girard, but I don't think it's a stretch saying Nelson at $5M is more valuable than Girard at the same cost.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 févr. 2023 à 8 h 7
Sujet: DNVR - Karanliktan Sonra
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xqb15a</b></div><div>Ah the hyperbole, Nelson isn’t a 1C. This year should be his his first 60pt season and if he were a 1C the Isles wouldn’t have traded for Horvat(before Barzal got hurt). Nelson is a good 2C but trying to sell him as a 1C is disingenuous. That being said NYI doesn’t do the trade because of the retention and injury to Barzal.</div></div>

That’s not how this works man. Let’s ignore the shortened seasons to push a narrative. 3 out of the last 4 seasons nelson has been at over a 60 pt pace . Last year 40 goals, 67 point pace. This year 35 goal , 77 point pace. There is no debating Nelson is a 1C , the numbers don’t lie

The islanders traded for horvat because he scored goals, not they didn’t care what position he played.