Better options than Nelson for that 2C spot until Newhook is ready and no need to give up Sammy to do it. JP should be a target in the off season as a FA after EDM doesn't qualify him and retain the assets. Ouch on the former first and this year's first to CHI much as I like the idea of adding Raddysh to Cale and Romaine. The Seeler trade the Avs could do worse. One out of four ain't bad.

This would be a terrible trade for the isles. Over the last two seasons Nelson has been 5x more valuable than Girard. A #4 defenseman doesn’t get you a 30-35 G 1C

It might well be but it would also be a bad trade for the Avs too.

Getting a 1C with retained salary for an underperforming defenseman would be a a great trade for the Avs.

Newhook hasn’t shown he has what it takes to be a 2C

Not to mention that the Isles are set on defensemen

Ah the hyperbole, Nelson isn’t a 1C. This year should be his his first 60pt season and if he were a 1C the Isles wouldn’t have traded for Horvat(before Barzal got hurt). Nelson is a good 2C but trying to sell him as a 1C is disingenuous. That being said NYI doesn’t do the trade because of the retention and injury to Barzal.

Where is the 1C?

Newhook is still only 22 and progressing nicely. He hasn't had his planned regular wingers once this season and the team has been decimated by injuries so he's been moved all over. The Avs really only need a stop-gap for a year or so like Henrique would be. Nelson isn't really a #1C to my mind, whatever line he may have been on for NYI. 1Cs generally score more than 60 points at least once in their career. The Avs have holes on their D right now as they've had all season with injuries. I don't think the top 6 D have been complete at the same time all year. Trading Girard is not a good idea right now. Tell me again how little you know about the Avs!

That’s not how this works man. Let’s ignore the shortened seasons to push a narrative. 3 out of the last 4 seasons nelson has been at over a 60 pt pace . Last year 40 goals, 67 point pace. This year 35 goal , 77 point pace. There is no debating Nelson is a 1C , the numbers don’t lie

The islanders traded for horvat because he scored goals, not they didn’t care what position he played.

Newhook hasn't shown he can drive offense.

3 out of the last 4 years nelson would have broke 65 points if he played a full season, I know you can't worry that much about winning a discussion that you have to make up sh*t lol.

It pretty much is how it works. He hasn't produced 1C numbers during his career as yet so yeah there is plenty of debating over whether he's a 1C or not. He doesn't even rank in NHL.com's top 50 centres for 2023.

the numbers don't lie. 90th percentile among all forwards the last 3 seasons
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Says the man making up the 'fact' that Nelson is a #1C!!!!

35 goals, over 60 pt pace is 1C numbers.

it is a fact, Ive already proved it with his counting stats and analytics.

....and you still fail to address any other points made. Well done. Just keep repeating Nelson is a #1C. Which he ain't! As I said, it may well be a bad trade for the Isles, it's also a bad trade for the Avs for various reasons. None of which you seem to care to discuss, so keep showing your ignorance of the Avs situation and we'll keep Sammy G!

Nelson would rank 2nd on the avs this season in wins above replacement, Girard is a below replacement defenseman this season
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none of the other points you made have any validity. You're ignoring the facts.

The difference between me and you is you're giving your opinion, Im proving with facts that he is a 1C

You haven't proven anything. He's a good 2C not a 1C, and your decision to not ascribe any validity to my arguments is your decision. Just as I can to yours. Fact: Newhook is only 22. Fact: He is progressing. Fact: He hasn't played with any of his intended wingers on a regular basis this year and been moved around the line up (Landeskog being injured all year is a FACT too you know!) Fact: The avs have been decimated by injuries. Fact: The Avs D is currently under strength through injuries. How many more facts do you want that you want to blatantly ignore? I think we're done!

You'd have to pay for Raddysh or remove him from the trade entirely. Otherwise, I think CHI and COL could be good trading partners. COL definitely has some needs CHI could probably fill.

A center who scores 35 G, 60+ while driving his line is a 1C. That is a fact. Nelson ranks top 30 among all centers in every relevant offensive statistic. You just want to ignore the numbers (the facts) because it doesn't fit your narrative.


you're making excuses for newhook but if he was going to be a future 2C he would have shown that he can drive a line. He's 22, not 19.

No I'm showing FACTS that you like to ignore. Nelson isn't a 1C lol. Jog on mate!

Why isn’t Nelson a 1st C? I’m very curious to hear why from you backed up with statistics and analytics to show that. Because you keep repeting yourself regarding him not being that without presenting anything other than your opinion on it, in comparison to what @Db1899 have done countless times through this thread.

Nelson is good. He’s not a 1C. Horvat and Barzal are 1Cs. Nelson is a solid 2C.

Nobody is arguing with you that Nelson sucks. He’s just not a 1C. That’s totally fine!

Are you trolling at this point? ”Nelson is a solid 2C”; why are you and @TJTwolf just ignoring the facts presented by @Db1899? I just don’t get it lol.