You missed a lot, RAIF. Basically, Booth went berserk and got banned. Because of that, I, and a bunch of other people who were planning on quitting, probably will not after all. (I'll still quit if I don't get my picks back.)

There was a lot of drama, though. When you created this game, I don't think you envisioned that so much drama would happen because of it. We appreciate that you made this game, and we're sorry that it probably has not turned out like you hoped it would. We'll do our best in the future to keep the drama down, restoring this game to be much closer to what you wanted it to be.

Wow, i'm only 1 of 2 GMs who hasn't made any trades yet in this game.

Its 2 months in the game, why arent you making trades?

in real life, there are 14 teams i believe who haven't made any trades since this game started.

This isnt real life, this is a virtual game where you try to make your team the best as possible

i know, that's what real GMs are doing. JSYK, i'm not the only team who hasn't made trades yet.

Yeah, one of two. So you can't really use that.

I just dont understand it. Ottawa isnt going to win staying the way they are..

Depends on how you define "winning", my friend.

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Depends on how you define "winning", my friend.

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Depends on how you define "winning", my friend.

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Okay, well the Boston GM doesn't continuously and consistently waste peoples time in negotiations.

I'm not sure I follow the 2-4 , 4-2 swap meaning/significance? Is that the trade rating you mean? if that's the case then how is this trade so bad its not even up for revision like the others?

Also have to look past current circumstances only too, philly. Its too much the "Flavour of the week" around here. Its the reason us fans trade the entire team away after 10 games because their team won only one game. Reality is those players are still good and will rebound, sure they took a hit in value but smart GM's don't move those players at that time. They wait till they've rebounded because they usually do. Arizona is one of the worst teams in the league this year and on pace to even beat last years Colorado. Is Mackinnon's value so low? Players still hold value when the team around is sucking.

Duclair was a top prospect only a few years ago. Scored 20 goals as a rookie essentially and is going @ roughly 0.5 ppg at the moment so his value while is still low, is not as bad as it was last year. He's playing in a significantly worse team overall then most of the teams in the league these past 3 years. Eventually a player just needs a new start (or more accurately a better team) but still has all the talent he had previously. That doesn't just go away. Especially with a 22 year old...... Saying his value won't gain over time is totally presumptuous. You don't know that. He could be traded IRL to a playoff team where his confidence could rebound easily, and what then? Similar to saying Steel is a slam dunk guaranteed superstar stud...... remember Ryan Strome. Michael Dal Colle. Sam Bennett. etc. What if ten years down the line, Steel doesn't pan out as a super stud everyone thinks he does (but still is a decent NHL'er at least) and Duclair is traded to MTL IRL for example where he is given better minutes next to Drouin and Lehkonen for a full season and produces a moderate 20+20? All of a sudden I'm looking pretty bad. Can i get a trade reverted then? Oh no, that's true, you risk taking a prospect with no NHL experience at face value when he doesn't pan out but right now you have to overpay for him? Prospects are still prospects at the end of the day. Only a select few (Matthews, Laine, etc) get that automatic level of value.

I get it, I like Steel too obviously and hope he can translate those numbers in junior to the NHL but realistically what are the odds he becomes a pt/g player in the NHL or even close to it? You'd be quick to check that most picks DON'T reach their potential. Scoring in juniors means nothing. He is a 19 year old dangling against 15-16-17-18 year old youngsters still looking to get laid for the 1st time........ Im sorry but at that age and against that competition, a player can easily attain silly numbers. There are plenty of examples that can be made (Sam Gagner comes to mind). If you're telling me to look at his point totals and say "look at how many points he scored last year 131!" then don't tell me not to point to Duclair's 44 points in his rookie season in the NHL only 2 years ago or OEL's 21 Gs - 55 pts two years ago or his 39 points last year which is widely considered as a really down season for him. Which funny enough is the same output Fowler had last year and everyone is raving about the superstar he is now...... The same guy that is considered the #1 in Anaheim ahead of Lindholm.

As for OEL vs Lindholm, this debate will definitely be split down the middle. Its quite apparent its an analytics vs everyone else type mentality. I personally think some ppl exaggerate Lindholms defensive game then by that same token they downplay OEL's offensive game. I don't think that's fair especially when attempting to remain unbiased in the situation. Both are close in age yet one has accomplished a lot more in notoriety with a much worse team over the years. Its really unfortunate playing in Arizona is taking away from a player's value in fans eyes when people within the NHL themselves state OEL is one of the best dmen in the game...... Oh and in his prime to boot........... "Oh he'll get a huge raise in free agency so his value is less as a result" ??? So if he gets 10M because he is a stud top pairing dman on any team that's a negative but if he gets 6.5-7M, "See he's only as good as Yandle or Shattenkirk"........... This logic is flawed.......

The value of the 1st round pick is a little muggy for me also. We honestly have no way of knowing where that pick will end up. At least IRL we can get a somewhat grasp of where teams will finish and then the lottery might move a couple teams as it did this past year but your proposal seems to make me think it could be all over the place within the lottery picks. Also what happens if the GM of that pick then goes on to make two absolutely great deals afterwards that move him up the power rankings? Now that pick doesn't seem so low after all.....

I think first of all, not being able to explain why this move is valid is unfair (Or at the very least revise-worthy). Frankly I opened a debate for this in the NHL thread and have yet to be given ample evidence that OEL is not a more valuable player than Lindholm straight up. Secondly, you are looking at much of the Anaheim pieces in the best possible light. Guess what, Duchene with two years left on his contract at 6M before becoming UFA, after having his worst season of his career, after having a decent but not very good start to this year, was traded for:

Shane Bowers (1st round pick)
Andrew Hammond (Cheapish cap dump)
Samuel Girard (2nd round pick)
Vladislav Kamenev (2nd round pick)
2018 1st round pick (OTT)
2018 2nd round pick (NSH)
2019 3rd round pick (OTT)

Let that sink in for a bit and tell me how my offer is so unbelievably way off ......... wjncar and I can revise the deal if needed but the frame work for the deal is there and is valid.

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Didn't want to break any rules about using the BOE thread, so I'll drop this here:



Just want to say, that was an entertaining read Marco. I think you make a decent case for the deal to be slightly revised, not laughed off the face of the earth. You are right to say that no one made a convincing argument in the discussion thread that OEL is < Lindholm. The biggest issue for me (just an innocent bystander with no power here) is the add-ons - even though you contend that Duclair and Steel have very unknown futures, I think the best approach would be to remove the picks from the deal. Just my $0.02, but I would hate for the 2018 1st overall (a strong possibility, given ANA track record, no offense) to be awarded in a controversial trade...

Thanks AK. I'm not asking for the trade to be accepted outright. I'm asking for us to be able to go revise it.

Absolutely understand the draft pick part too. I wasn't too keen on the idea of the draft order to begin with frankly. I think my side needs to be viewed unbiased as well. Im stuck with Arizona whose the worst team in the league according to IRL events so I clearly need the draft pick help and within the GM game construct I won't get a good pick either because Im a good GM?? Damned if i do, damned if i don't.

As for the pick process in place. Lets say I pony up for the pick now and add a bunch of stuff. Come April, lets say wjncar quits and someone else took over in December, who makes great trade after great trade and waivers claims and whatever else makes the power ranking go up? Now that pick that I traded so much for in November has risen up to out of the lottery picks. Is the trade so much of a steal (no pun intended) now?.....

Everyone is assuming Anaheim's pick is guaranteed a low pick. So much can change from now till the end of the year. Its not like in the NHL where the Coyotes would have to go 40-10 the rest of the way in the season to make their draft position the same. The system in place can change the value of that pick drastically from now to April.

So yeah, Lindholm is pretty damn good. I think many would argue he's not as good as OEL. Yeah, Steel has good potential and scored a lot of points in junior. So did Yakupov or Ryan Strome. Yeah, that 1st right now looks good, is it a lock to be that good come April? Not so sure about that.