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Équipe: 2024-25 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 27 juin 2024
Publié: 27 juin 2024
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I've had that Convo before, but lets have it again at D-1.
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Demidov, Ivan
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MTL
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (ANA)
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3rd OVR - If Verbeek is set for a Dman... He knows it will be available at 5 as MTL will pick one of Demidov or Lindstrom

And CBJ will likely pick a Forward too.

So If Verbeek gets the chance to pick up a haul of assets to pick the same dude anyway - I'm pretty sure he jumps on the occasion
ANA
  1. Barron, Justin [Droits de RFA]
  2. Mesar, Filip
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (MTL)
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5th OVR swap

IMO, this is an overpay.
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    jeu. à 10 h 6
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    It'd obviously be foolish for Anaheim to turn this down.

    I'm not convinced that CLB takes a forward though. Regardless, it's not going to shock me to see Demidov available at 5 anyway.
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    Massive overpay to be honest. Even Chicago probably accepts this. This could set the franchise back for years if the habs don't hit on that 3OA.
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    Columbus has focused almost entirely on forwards, which also makes sense because the org's current top two prospects besides Fantilli are defensemen. They've taken forwards Sennecke, Lindstrom, and Demidov out for dinner, but the only defenseman they've done that with is Buium. There were rumors of sniffing around Silayev as well, but that only came from a general report and nothing from CBJ sources. FWIW, Grant McCagg says the chatter is that Columbus is pretty set on Lindstrom.

    The Ducks would be foolish to turn that down.
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    Quoting: squashmaple
    Columbus has focused almost entirely on forwards, which also makes sense because the org's current top two prospects besides Fantilli are defensemen. They've taken forwards Sennecke, Lindstrom, and Demidov out for dinner, but the only defenseman they've done that with is Buium. There were rumors of sniffing around Silayev as well, but that only came from a general report and nothing from CBJ sources. FWIW, Grant McCagg says the chatter is that Columbus is pretty set on Lindstrom.

    The Ducks would be foolish to turn that down.


    Worse case (and tbh, likely) scenario for the habs is Lev/Demidov/Lindstrom all gone in the picks 2 to 4. I'm 99% sure Ana-Chi will split Demidov/Lev so CBJ should have a free shot at Lindstrom. So CBJ spoke with Sennecke but not Iginla? You have to think the habs are ending up with Buium at this point.

    1. Celebrini
    2. Levshunov
    3. Demidov
    4. Lindstrom
    5. Biuium

    That's my bet for tomorrow,
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    Quoting: Ahro
    Worse case (and tbh, likely) scenario for the habs is Lev/Demidov/Lindstrom all gone in the picks 2 to 4. I'm 99% sure Ana-Chi will split Demidov/Lev so CBJ should have a free shot at Lindstrom. So CBJ spoke with Sennecke but not Iginla? You have to think the habs are ending up with Buium at this point.

    1. Celebrini
    2. Levshunov
    3. Demidov
    4. Lindstrom
    5. Biuium

    That's my bet for tomorrow,


    Despite being a part-time Ducks fan, I can't make heads or tails of what they might do. They're the wildcard of the top five. If Chicago takes anyone other than Levshunov, Anaheim takes him; if Chicago takes Levshunov, I don't know what Anaheim does. They like big guys who can skate, usually, but how do you pass on Demidov if he's there?

    I don't recall any CBJ/Iginla rumors, but perhaps I just dismissed them. Sennecke sticks out because he's generally ranked in the 10-15 range so it was surprising to see a team with 4OA and no picks til the third round (assuming they don't keep the conditional 2nd from the Philly trade) talking to him, but he also had a very intriguing end to his season, and we all know Timmins loves a big boy.
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    Ducks accept. I think they'll be happy with anyone, so to trade down and pick up assets and still get a guy they want, no brainer. They get an RHD and can still nab a top 3 RW.
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    Quoting: squashmaple
    Despite being a part-time Ducks fan, I can't make heads or tails of what they might do. They're the wildcard of the top five. If Chicago takes anyone other than Levshunov, Anaheim takes him; if Chicago takes Levshunov, I don't know what Anaheim does. They like big guys who can skate, usually, but how do you pass on Demidov if he's there?

    I don't recall any CBJ/Iginla rumors, but perhaps I just dismissed them. Sennecke sticks out because he's generally ranked in the 10-15 range so it was surprising to see a team with 4OA and no picks til the third round (assuming they don't keep the conditional 2nd from the Philly trade) talking to him, but he also had a very intriguing end to his season, and we all know Timmins loves a big boy.


    We've also been linked to Sennecke. One of our most well respected reported mentioned a few weeks back that Habs fans should be prepared for the possibility of him being taken at 5 by the Habs. Lots of chatter about him being taken much earlier than expected!
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    3 for 5 and 26 and throw in Kovacevic would be fine

    That’s if we are wanting to trade down
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    Quoting: Ahro
    We've also been linked to Sennecke. One of our most well respected reported mentioned a few weeks back that Habs fans should be prepared for the possibility of him being taken at 5 by the Habs. Lots of chatter about him being taken much earlier than expected!


    I've really liked the video of him that I've seen. I honestly might even prefer him to Lindstrom (the back makes me nervous). I hope all of us get the player that fits best, because I'm tired of these same five teams being the worst in the league.
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    3 for 5 and 26 and throw in Kovacevic would be fine

    That’s if we are wanting to trade down


    Would you take CGY'S first instead of WPG's first?
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    The trade would only need to be made once we know who Chicago takes. If they take Levshunov, the Habs are likely to get one of Lindstrom or Demidov @5 anyway. The only issue is if Chi takes Demidov, than there is a decent chance CLB takes Lindstrom leaving MTL with probably having to take the best Dman available as the BPA. Not ideal but not the end of the world.

    I know it may be worth to move up for Demidov but I still think the Habs should just be patient and draft whoever they think is BPA at 5. Last year was the year to throw the entire prospect pool at moving up. This year, I think whoever they get at 5 will be a legit top player as is. Like better than Reinbacher good.
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    Quoting: GeneralLandro
    3 for 5 and 26 and throw in Kovacevic would be fine

    That’s if we are wanting to trade down


    that is a big IF - but would make a lot of sense depending on ANA's draft list and wants.
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    It'd obviously be foolish for Anaheim to turn this down.

    I'm not convinced that CLB takes a forward though. Regardless, it's not going to shock me to see Demidov available at 5 anyway.


    Hughes aint offering the world for the idea of moving up. They'll take their guy, that's that. These trades never happen
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    Quoting: F50marco
    The trade would only need to be made once we know who Chicago takes. If they take Levshunov, the Habs are likely to get one of Lindstrom or Demidov 5 anyway. The only issue is if Chi takes Demidov, than there is a decent chance CLB takes Lindstrom leaving MTL with probably having to take the best Dman available as the BPA. Not ideal but not the end of the world.

    I know it may be worth to move up for Demidov but I still think the Habs should just be patient and draft whoever they think is BPA at 5. Last year was the year to throw the entire prospect pool at moving up. This year, I think whoever they get at 5 will be a legit top player as is. Like better than Reinbacher good.


    Buium or Catton or Iginla or Sennecke. Demidov aint a saviour. Marginal at best upgrade that tops out at PPG player
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    Quoting: F50marco
    The trade would only need to be made once we know who Chicago takes. If they take Levshunov, the Habs are likely to get one of Lindstrom or Demidov 5 anyway. The only issue is if Chi takes Demidov, than there is a decent chance CLB takes Lindstrom leaving MTL with probably having to take the best Dman available as the BPA. Not ideal but not the end of the world.

    I know it may be worth to move up for Demidov but I still think the Habs should just be patient and draft whoever they think is BPA at 5. Last year was the year to throw the entire prospect pool at moving up. This year, I think whoever they get at 5 will be a legit top player as is. Like better than Reinbacher good.


    Yeah - it would definately have to wait for CHI - they are likely to destroy most Mock drafts ahaha.

    And I agree that it would seem odd for KH to throw the farm at Demidov when Michkov was *right* there last year.

    However, habs are in need of Quality top pair players or a real superstars... and Demidov looks like that guy, while the forward left at 5 will be great - but won't be superstars. There are only so many roster spots for top 6 players anyway. So Mesar and a 1st are expendable IMO.

    (PS: as a mod, do you have any inside info on the future of AGM? Will it survive Capfriendy in a way?)
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    Quoting: Ahro
    Worse case (and tbh, likely) scenario for the habs is Lev/Demidov/Lindstrom all gone in the picks 2 to 4. I'm 99% sure Ana-Chi will split Demidov/Lev so CBJ should have a free shot at Lindstrom. So CBJ spoke with Sennecke but not Iginla? You have to think the habs are ending up with Buium at this point.

    1. Celebrini
    2. Levshunov
    3. Demidov
    4. Lindstrom
    5. Biuium

    That's my bet for tomorrow,


    Buium probably blows them all out of the water but 1. Kid looks, talks and acts like a star.
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    Quoting: FarhanLuigi
    Buium or Catton or Iginla or Sennecke. Demidov aint a saviour. Marginal at best upgrade that tops out at PPG player


    Don't think he is just marginally better but don't think he is a savior neither. He's one of the only few locks to be a PPG type player in this draft. The one thing the Habs are in most need of. But points aren't everything so.
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    Yeah - it would definately have to wait for CHI - they are likely to destroy most Mock drafts ahaha.

    And I agree that it would seem odd for KH to throw the farm at Demidov when Michkov was *right* there last year.

    However, habs are in need of Quality top pair players or a real superstars... and Demidov looks like that guy, while the forward left at 5 will be great - but won't be superstars. There are only so many roster spots for top 6 players anyway. So Mesar and a 1st are expendable IMO.

    (PS: as a mod, do you have any inside info on the future of AGM? Will it survive Capfriendy in a way?)


    For sure but my point was only that we might simply get him anyway at 5 so why risk it?

    As for the CF question, no we don't know anything the rest of the public doesn't already. Pretty sure they're not even allowed to talk about it with anyone until its in the Caps hands officially.
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    Quoting: F50marco
    Don't think he is just marginally better but don't think he is a savior neither. He's one of the only few locks to be a PPG type player in this draft. The one thing the Habs are in most need of. But points aren't everything so.


    I barely noticed the wingers in the last 2 rounds outside maybe Hyman. McDavid, Bouchard, Barkov, Forsling, Heiskanen. Those were the play drivers

    Panarin, Tkachuk, RNH, Robertson were non factors. Buium absolutely dominated and put Celebrini in check during the NCAA semis
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    Quoting: F50marco
    For sure but my point was only that we might simply get him anyway at 5 so why risk it?

    As for the CF question, no we don't know anything the rest of the public doesn't already. Pretty sure they're not even allowed to talk about it with anyone until its in the Caps hands officially.


    True - If CHI doesn't take him and ANA doesn't want him (if they do, they won't do the trade) -that leaves Lindstrom or Demivod for CBJ and MTL - I'd be happy with one or the other.

    The curve ball is CHI taking Demidov - then it's unlikely that Lindstrom falls to 5.

    Damn - I'm really going to miss this website!
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    Quoting: FarhanLuigi
    I barely noticed the wingers in the last 2 rounds outside maybe Hyman. McDavid, Bouchard, Barkov, Forsling, Heiskanen. Those were the play drivers

    Panarin, Tkachuk, RNH, Robertson were non factors. Buium absolutely dominated and put Celebrini in check during the NCAA semis


    Oh a Dcore of

    Buium - Reinbacher
    Hutson - Guhle
    Xhekaj - Mailloux

    Could be very HOT - but I think getting a true PPG player is the real NEED for once - I haven't seen one in MTL in almost 20 years.
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    Quoting: F50marco
    For sure but my point was only that we might simply get him anyway at 5 so why risk it?

    As for the CF question, no we don't know anything the rest of the public doesn't already. Pretty sure they're not even allowed to talk about it with anyone until its in the Caps hands officially.


    Quoting: F50marco
    For sure but my point was only that we might simply get him anyway at 5 so why risk it?

    As for the CF question, no we don't know anything the rest of the public doesn't already. Pretty sure they're not even allowed to talk about it with anyone until its in the Caps hands officially.


    Thinks worked out finally smilecheers
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