homer take of the year ladies and gentleman. he's not " overvalued " maybe watch him play and his stats + what he accomplished.

Landro thinks he has McDavid under his hand

I was simply saying that he is wrong when he says "the fact that that is your only response shows you know I am right" -- in fact, I know nothing of the kind.

Habs fans have to get over expecting Lane Hutson to be the next Adam Fox or Cale Makar or Quinn Hughes or Luke Hughes. He's not. In fact, it's already clear that he's not. And putting a lot of stock in a 35-year-old record that not Fox nor Makar nor either Hughes was able to break is just childish wishful thinking.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not predicting that Hutson will fail. He'll probably have a very good Torey-Krug-like career. But your less-realistic-than-you colleagues have to stop blowing him up bigger than the Michelin Man.


I'm a writer, so I'm very careful with words. I didn't say that Zellweger was more valuable than Hutson -- I said he was a better prospect. And it's very relevant whether Zellweger has professional experience and Hutson doesn't because it means that Zellweger is signed to a professional contract -- something that neither Hutson nor Cutter Gauthier is.

Ok, serious question for you, who was the last Habs player in the top 3 for the Calder contention? I will give you a hint, he still wears the Jersey, has always been a fan favorite and wears no. 11. Point is Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle, Slafkovsky and many more Habs greats haven't finished top 3 in calder votes. Hell the last player to actually win the Calder as a Hab was Dryden in 1972. Just cause you don't win or finish top 3 for the Calder literally doesn't mean squat. With guys like Skinner and Tyler Meyers as former winners, just cause you win doesn't mean you will have a long storied career either. Raycroft won in 2004 but didn't even play 300 games in the league. I don't think anyone cares if he finishes top 3 in calder voting or not (McDavid finished 3rd after all) as long as his career tracks the way scouts are projecting it to. Back to back 44+ point seasons in the NCAA, is a pretty good indication that he will likely be as good as Habs fans and analysts project him to be.

Makar - 70 points in 76 gp 0.92 ppg
Fox - 116 points in 97 gp 1.2 ppg
Q. Hughes - 62 points in 69 gp 0.90 ppg
Hutson - 91 points in 71 gp 1.28 ppg

Before you comment on their size compared to Hutson only Makar is significantly bigger (20+ lbs heavier) and the following height and weights are based on this year's measurements, therefore one has to assume all were lighter when they broke into the league as well.

Makar - 5'11 187 lbs
Fox - 5'11" 181 lbs
Q. Hughes - 5'10" 170 lbs
Hutson - 5'10" 163 lbs

BTW, it's not Habs fans making the comparisons to Fox, Makar and Hughes, it's guys like Byron Bader and Hutson's coach Jay Pandalfo and many others. Bader updated Hutson's card this past November and he shows Hutson's NHLe has been higher than both Hughes since his D+1 and was always higher than Fox's but in his D+2 season Hutson has gapped him significantly.

https://twitter.com/ByronMBader/status/1730294069895819402

@OldNYIFan you better answer this.

I don't really care if he answers or not, it's irrelevant, Habs fans aren't expecting Hutson to be the next Makar, Hughes or Fox, we just aren't going to risk that chance in a trade for a forward who doesn't have MacKinnon, McDavid or Crosby level upside

Why is it in fact clear that Hutson is not the next Adam Fox, Cale Makar, Quinn Hughes or Luke Hughes? I dont get the Luke Hughes comparison - they really arent that similar. Makar I would say is athletically on another level compared to Hutson. However, its quite possible that Hutson could become the next Quinn Hughes or Adam Fox. I don't think you could say either of these players would have definitively become what they are today when they were 19 or 20 years old, yeah its crazy to say Hutson is the next Q. Hughes (or Slafkovsky is the next Rantanen) - until one day it isn't so crazy anymore. Why do you think Krug is a good comparison for Hutson when Krug was never even a ppg player in college?

I have tempered expectations regarding Hutson, I don't even know if he'll start in the NHL next season, there is no rush. But I wouldn't bet against him on becoming an elite offensive defenseman in the NHL one day.

Man this thread is hilarious. Went from Zegras is overrated to Hutson is the greatest player ever.

Hab fans man. Make the same trade over and over and get told the same thing over and over and then get mad it hasn’t changed.

cant wait for y’all to get a pick #18 on draft day after yapping all season longue saying he’s worth more than 2 firsts

He’s not going anywhere. The ducks can’t score. Why would they trade one of their best producers? And if they did trade him why would it be for futures? Also Nils Lundkvist was traded for a 1st after doing nothing in the NHL. Why would Zegras only be worth a mid-late 1st?

Cant Score with Terry Vatrano McTavish Carlsson Strome? And soon Gauthier?

Lundkvist got that because he had crazy potential and was stuck behind Schneider Fox Trouba. You can’t really compare rookie dmen with a forward.

And yet you guys somehow keep trying to.

Also Carlsson's been on IR for a bit, and Gauthier is obviously not signed yet, Jah is referencing our games since the TDL.

We’re not comparing, we’re offering.

Still a lot of goal scoring ability when healthy so losing Zegras isn’t going to hurt.

And we have plenty of highly talented LHD, yet were light on offensively gifted wingers, so yes, it is going to hurt, that's why we're not interested in trading him, it doesn't make sense for us to loose a piece we actually need to gain an excess D and a pick, that sets the rebuild back.

Vatrano and Strome aren't long term parts of the core, and while Vatranos production has been great this season, we haven't been scoring much as a team. I mean hell, Brett Leason has almost scored as many goals as Strome this year, you're telling me that team doesn't need help with scoring?

There’s way too much unnecessary noise in this thread. ANA will not even be co sidering moving Z for a LD, their strongest position. It’d be RD or a winger they absolutely love. That’d necessitate Reinbacher, Slaf, or maybe the ‘24 MTL 1st as a starting point, and even then I’m not saying ANA would trigger pull. Not interested? All good. We love Z

No need to. Nothing in it refutes a word I've said anywhere in this thread.

Lol'd so hard at the "ever heard of Brian Leach?!?!?!?"



Why are you so bitter? You clearly don't value Zegras as much as we do/we don't agree that Lane Hutson is worth what you think he's worth. We've stated what we think the trade would require. We can agree to disagree and then move on. Why are you so butt-hurt that we haven't said "yes" to your proposed trade. You do realise even if we did agree to it it still won't make it happen, right?

We'll see what happens, but PV has made it clear that Zegras hasn't been shopped. People called after Servalli made up that Zegras might be moved because he was good friends with Drysdale and Drysdale just got traded. PV took a couple calls. He's not actively looking to move the kid and he had made this clear in multiple interviews of late. Zegras has had a rough season with injury and missed camp due to delays in signing his contract. He'll come back strong next season and we are happy to keep him.



Good indicators. Means nothing until he can prove it at the NHL. Decision-making speed at the NHL is just next level. Why would you want to trade out a player you think is the next Hughes, Fox or Makar??? I wouldn't, even if it was from a position of strength. Keep the guys destined to be Hughes/Fox/Makars and trade everything below, no?

P.S. Zellweger has been a tremendous steal for us. However, most ANA fans accept his shortcomings and he's pretty much been pencilled into a 3LD + PP specialist role. No one was expecting him to become a #1D at the NHL level. Shifty and dynamic 3rd pairing D-man who are serviceable at defending at 5-on-5, but a major threat in the offensive zone and on the PP are significant add to any team (i.e. Ghost, OEL, Gustafsson - all playing on winning sides in 3D + PP roles). Nothing wrong with it and no need to overvalue their potential. They are good players in their own right. Just not worth a top 6 C with back-to-back 60 pts seasons, even if you throw in a late 1st rounder.



Why are you so angry? Can you not accept when you someone disagrees with you? Very immature behaviour.

So you don’t pay attention to anything outside of MTL I see.

Duh, the highlighted was literally my argument for why the Habs wouldn't offer Hutson for Zegras. I have no problem with not trading Hutson and him only being another Zellweger, that is still a win for a 2nd round pick with high risk high reward. The problem is trading him (or offering him in trades more specifically) before we even have a glimpse of what he can do at the NHL level. Imagine offering him in a trade for Zegras then he continues his trajectory and becomes a 50+ point first pairing D man equal to Q Hughes/Fox/Makar, would you risk that for a 60-80 point center? Would you trade Makar/Hughes/Fox for Aho/Suzuki/Zegras prior to them breaking into the league? No, no one in their right mind would.