Just FYI: pick numbers 44 and 59 (assuming Florida doesn't win two rounds) don't get you any pick in the first round, so this would be a very poor idea for the Maple Leafs.

So in the end the leafs give up 1,3,5 Nielema and Kampf for tanev. Idk if that makes sense.

That's a fair assessment. However, in my eyes - the Leafs give up a semi-late 1st, a mid-round 3rd, a 5th for Tanev and Kampf's contract gone which is a plus. I think in the prime years of Matthews, Marner, Willy, and Rielly there is no room to waste their talent - I believe sacrificing this year's draft for a potential Cup run is worth it. Even if it doesn't pan out; we need to aim for the cup and not be too conservative to the point where Matthews is scoring 70 goals a season to get knocked out in the first/second round.

I'm sorry; can you elaborate on this? Not because I disagree but my dumb ass is failing to comprehend - that's my bad.

I like moving on from Kampf because l think Holmberg can fill that role sooner than later. I just don't see Tanev being the difference maker for the leafs going deep into the playoffs.

I respect that; it's a fair assessment - one I will disagree on though as in my honest opinion Tanev is still a top-10 DFD in this league currently. He is aging and he can potentially fall off; but he's still got it this year at least.

Seems like a lot of malarkey for no reason. Give Calgary the 1st and keep the rest of the assets. I don't think kampf costs anything to move. Defensive bottom 6C with term.

If he does use the islanders 3rd. Leafs are up a 5th and Topi.

It's very fair and spot on. You got yourself all convoluted with the needless trades. Far too much to add tanev.

I would give up the first for Tanev but in order to acquire him someone has to go to clear cap space. Kampf has been horrible this season and I've done these Kampf dump trades in previous threads and I always get the same feedback; teams are not willing to take on Kampf's contract unless offered a decent draft pick as incentive.

Ahhhh... I see you've bought into the capfriendly bull****. Maybe he does cost something to move. Maybe it's more than a 3rd. Maybe leafs add a mid prospect. Leafs don't need to make whacky trades.

What if I told you leafs can afford to add tanev at 50% retained carrying 3 goalies and a 23 man roster and 500k left over while still having kampf at 4c?... zero trades other than tanev for a 1st.

Well that is certainly an option. However, I don’t think getting rid of a terrible contract for a 4th line TWF that is struggling immensely to the point of being scratched is a “wacky trade”. Do I think Kampf is worth $2.4M? Hell no. Do I think he’s good enough to make our bottom 6? Still, hell no. But to his credit, there aren’t much better options for our depth when we have Gregor and Reaves included as well. The whole bottom-six is a mess and you know it! Now, if Kampf can turn it around this latter half of the season, I can see the Leafs keeping him; but that’s an if.

No, trading a 1st for two 2nds before the TDL is a whacky trade. The bottom 6 is not a mess at all. Kampf was scratched for 1 game as an example. He is not a two way forward. He is a defensive centre. Apparently Dowd is worth a 1st. I don't think the million in cap is the difference between getting a 1st and giving a 2nd. Not that I think dowd is worth a first, but the point stands.

Personally I think you move kampf in a trade for a 3c. Teams are willing to take money back in trades. Defensive bottom 6 centre making 2.4m is nothing. In fact a team like the sabres could use his services.

Long story short, this place is full of people that undervalue leafs players as much as leafs fans overvalue them.

Columbus absolutely does have their second. It just has conditions, which are Columbus gets to pick if they send it to Philly this year or if they 2025 second instead. As this year is likely to be 35-37, they will almost certainly keep it. The Florida second is basically a third, ownership would never agree to this use of assets, and there also simply isn’t room for Kämpf on the roster. Find someone else to take him.

Kampf would not cost a 2024 2nd to move, don't listen to unhinged people on this site. He is overpaid relative to his production yes, but there is no way the leafs pay to dump him at the deadline, he is still an important piece defensively and on the PK. I can see them moving him in the offseason when teams have more space, he would have positive value at that point and could bring back at mid round pick at least, especially considering the cap is going up a reported 4+ mil.

$1M in cap space is traditionally between a 5th and 6th, Dowd has had more success than Kampf this year despite an even heavier defensive workload, but I agree: he's not worth a 1st.

Kampf more likely costs a 3rd or 4th to move unless he is part of a trade with money in ~= money out. A 2nd is rich. I could absolutely see Columbus doing something like this...next season, at the TDL, with a Kuraly move out and Kampf coming back to fill that 4C role. With no new GM and only one significant UFA, we're probably just going to stand pat for the most part. Anyone with term coming in or going out will have to wait for the offseason once a new GM is hired.

This place is full of so many Leafs fans, the "Leafs overvalue" crowd typically drowns out the "Leafs are undervalued" crowd, which is exhausting when you have cap space or a player that's a perceived fit. I'm just glad we can have a discussion from the other end of the spectrum for once.

Sure.

{Sorry for the delay in responding . . . it was not out of discourtesy; I was a victim of the brief Cookiegate problem and locked out of my account.}

Your premise is that Washington ends up 20th in the league, which is the 12th slot in the draft (except perhaps for the first round due to the lotteries). That translates to the 44th pick this June.

Florida will either win their division (pick 27 most likely) or be a Conference finalist (pick 29 or 30) or a Cup finalist (pick 31 or 32) or finish second in their division, which will probably be pick 24. I chose division winner but losing in round 1 or 2 as a reasonable scenario for your premise. That translates to pick 59 in the second round.

There are four draft-pick-value charts in common circulation; I chose the most recent one. They all come to the same basic conclusion: picks 44 and 59 don't get you into the first round. This may surprise you, but in fact, in order for it to make sense to the team surrendering the first-round pick, Arizona would have to give up their own third rounder, rather than receive a fifth-rounder.

You'll find that some of us CF veterans are experts in arcana.

I enjoy reading your comments!

Wow, I was completely clueless about that; I genuinely didn't know. Thanks for educating me as always mate - I appreciate it!

You mean money wise? Because the jackets aren't giving up any assets in this trade.