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Créé par: WhoCares_ItsAFantasyGame

Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal

Date de création initiale: 15 févr. 2024

Publié: 15 févr. 2024

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Just looking into what would MTL have to offer for Zegras knowing that when a 22 year old potential 1st line player goes on market for a rebuilding team, it means something's off with the attitude or skills.

Not saying Zegras falls under this, just wondering why would he go to market unless they just want picks and younger Defensemen potential.

Allen Trade to LAK.. Just a suggestion form the possible trade destinations listed on a couple of sites that list potential destinations, not actual talks or rumors. Just a guess, so LAK fans, don't take this as a thing that's being talked about or not, just throwing it our there based on very circumstantial articles of POSSIBLE trade partners..

HABS have a bit over 15M$ of cap next year and 2 RFA's that won't cost much to resign and 1 UFA in Pearson if they want to keep around for another year.

Wideman is a good guy, but he won't be back; Norlinder, unless tradeable won't be signed to a 1 way deal and the rest of the UFAs and RFAs in the AHL would stay put in the AHL if kept.

Habs suddenly have at least a min of 12M$ (after signing Ylönen and Xhekaj with extensions) to either see who's out there that would be interesting to bring in, or hold off during TDL or until 2025 to make a bigger splash if they need to.

Transactions

MTL

Zegras, Trevor

Détails additionnels:

While some may say it's too much of a risk to give up MTL's 1st I think it's not that bad since I really don't see them getting top 3 anyways, and you get a 22 year old player able to play center but should round up your top 6 and provide you with two lines of good players. His defensive skills can be taught and you don't need him to be at the top of his game next year. He's got two more years on his contract and then you have enough space to keep him for a while.

ANA

Barron, Justin
Harris, Jordan
Pezzetta, Michael
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (MTL)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (PIT)

Détails additionnels:

Harris - Straight up a good solid Defenseman; Barron potential is high on him, he's a RD, just young and needs to be groomed; Pezzetta to add grit to the team with a low cap hit; *1st round pick is top 3 protected; if so then ANA get WIN's pick, plus 2024 AVS' 2nd and MIN 3rd. Still get PIT's 2nd 2025.

MTL

Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (LAK)

Détails additionnels:

LAK get a goalie that while doesn't look great right now, he's playing for a rebuilding team with a very young Defensive line. Given the right team, like the LAK his chances of raising his value and % goes way up. LAK need another Goalie with experience, Cam Talbot has not been delivering since Jan, going winless with an .873 SV%. This helps Rittich, and pushes aside Talbot for now.

LAK

Allen, Jake (1 925 000 $ retained)

Détails additionnels:

HABS get a third for 2025; mostly for the cap retention.
LAK can also flip Allen again during the offseason with the rest of the cap retention which will most likely give them back that 3rd if need be in 2025 or even during draft 2024.

Rachats de contrats

Karl Alzner: 833 333 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Joel Edmundson: 1 750 000 $ (50%)
Jeff Petry: 2 343 750 $ (50%)
Jake Allen: 1 925 000 $ (100%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
21	83 500 000 $	79 347 916 $	1 170 000 $	4 035 000 $	4 152 084 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Caufield, Cole 7 850 000 $7 850 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 8	Suzuki, Nick 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ C UFA - 7	Slafkovsky, Juraj 950 000 $950 000 $ (3 500 000 $$4M) AD, AG RFA - 2
Newhook, Alex 2 900 000 $2 900 000 $ C, AG RFA - 4	Zegras, Trevor 5 750 000 $5 750 000 $ C, AG RFA - 3	Anderson, Josh 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 4
Pearson, Tanner 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Evans, Jake 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ C UFA - 2	Ylönen, Jesse 775 000 $775 000 $ AD, AG RFA - 1
Roy, Joshua 835 000 $835 000 $ (57 500 $$58K) AG, AD RFA - 3	Gignac, Brandon 775 000 $775 000 $ C UFA - 2	Gallagher, Brendan 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Guhle, Kaiden 863 333 $863 333 $ (420 000 $$420K) DG/DD RFA - 2	Savard, David 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ DD UFA - 2	Montembeault, Samuel 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ G UFA - 1
Matheson, Michael 4 875 000 $4 875 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 3	Kovacevic, Johnathan 766 667 $766 667 $ DD UFA - 2	Primeau, Cayden 890 000 $890 000 $ G RFA - 2
Struble, Jayden 867 500 $867 500 $ (57 500 $$58K) DG RFA - 2	Xhekaj, Arber 828 333 $828 333 $ DG/DD RFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Armia, Joel 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2	Dvorak, Christian 4 450 000 $4 450 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 2	Price, Carey 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 3
	Dach, Kirby 3 362 500 $3 362 500 $ C, AD RFA - 3
	Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 2
	Wideman, Chris 762 500 $762 500 $ DD UFA - 1

15 févr. à 9 h 32

habitantlecolon

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I'd rather draft a d-men than trade for Zegras

15 févr. à 9 h 44

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Quoting: habitantlecolon

I'd rather draft a d-men than trade for Zegras

Same.
I'm not on the Z train. Anaheim fans seem to think they can get Slafkovsky or Hutson for him. Haha.

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15 févr. à 9 h 46

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It does appear that the "Zegras is on the trade market" may have taken on a life of its own with very little (if any) basis for it. It appears that multiple Ducks fans say that he is not on the market, which would make sense, given his value is the lowest it has been in the past few years. I really cannot see Anaheim trading him right now.

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Quoting: habitantlecolon

I'd rather draft a d-men than trade for Zegras

HABS need offense. He got 2X 60pts seasons and at 22 ain't done developing. If you're basing your judgement on the +/- you need to get pass that for now because he's in a worse defensive team than us, and at his age and maturity he can be taught by the HABS coaching staff to improve on this. They are working it in for Caufield and would surely help Zegras push that to do better. If the kid can get to 80pts/season in 2025-26 then the HABS will finally get someone on their 2nd line which we need.

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If they traded Zegras, I am guessing they would ask for Caufield back since they need a finisher. They have a ton of good defensive prospects, so Barron and Harris may not be best fits.

I’d come up with the best one-for-one and offer that.

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Quoting: KentMcNally

Oh good lord, thanks for the comment we didn't need seeing this is a IF situation.. But yeah pointing this out again is a life changer for us all.. Thank you SSSSOOOO much.. .....

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Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street

Same.
I'm not on the Z train. Anaheim fans seem to think they can get Slafkovsky or Hutson for him. Haha.

Yeah well for those assets I wouldn't trade for him either.

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

makes absolutely no sense since Caufield's value is way over Zegras..

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Allen stinks, this is posted every other day. He can’t even claim the starting role in Montreal, what makes you think he would I. LA?

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Quoting: WhoCares_ItsAFantasyGame

makes absolutely no sense since Caufield's value is way over Zegras..

It’s higher, but a lot of that is because Zergras has been hurt. If healthy, they are pretty close to being on par with each other.

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Quoting: WhoCares_ItsAFantasyGame

Oh good lord, thanks for the comment we didn't need seeing this is a IF situation.. But yeah pointing this out again is a life changer for us all.. Thank you SSSSOOOO much.. .....

HA! Ok, sorry to have upset you.

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

It’s higher, but a lot of that is because Zergras has been hurt. If healthy, they are pretty close to being on par with each other.

I would disagree since if you compare their stats:

- Caufield (23yrs old) has a -12 in the last 99 games with 78 pts;
- Zegras (22 yrs old) has a -29 in 101 games and 72 pts.

I'm not saying Zegras doesn't have value, but he's not a straight up trade, even for Slaf, SUzuki, Mailloux, Hudson or Reinbacher... That +/- is a chance HABS take on where he'll either develop or never understand how he need to play when in his zone. I'm not against giving up a top4 to 10 1st rounder but not a currently important player for the future of the organization.

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Quoting: WhoCares_ItsAFantasyGame

we need big quality 2 way players, not another small point producer, we have a full pipeline of these.

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Quoting: habitantlecolon

we need big quality 2 way players, not another small point producer, we have a full pipeline of these.

I think him being 22 and has a good potential they can teach him as they are teaching Caufield. Pretty sure Zegras can become a high 2 way player once he gets his head around it. And we need 6ft+ players on the team to play top lines.

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Quoting: WhoCares_ItsAFantasyGame

that's why we will draft Cayden Lindstrom.

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Quoting: habitantlecolon

that's why we will draft Cayden Lindstrom.

I guess we have a difference of opinions on this type of thing. I prefer going for a current young NHLer than a probable rookie.

Also, you're looking at the draft as if HABS will be able to pick who they want. The draft will be settled once the lottery has been dealt. They may sit at 13th, Lindstrom is currently looking to be 12th, they could also hit 9th-10th place and be able to get Iginla or Catton.. May also fall after these and not have the player they need.

My views are just that any player not being a top 3, push it to top 5 will not be a sure thing. Any of the players mentioned above could fail in the NHL regardless of the position they're in. Zegras is currently an NHLer. So so you have low risk of the player not being able to play in the league. Just look at Shane Wright.. Was supposed to be a sure thing for a top 6 (mostly 2nd line guy but in the end.. A sure NHLer).. Hugues finally did the right thing with Slaf.. But oh boy did they get hat for that one. Today.. Slaf is ahead of Wright and is considered a better deal..

Difference of opinions on this one.

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Trevor Zegras isn't on the market because, as your colleague @KentMcNally so accurately points out, despite the fact that his offensive statistics in almost every category except goals are still superior to Cole Caufield's despite this injury-riddled season, his trade value will never be lower.

That being said, we Anaheim fans have said on numerous occasions that we would accept an A prospect from the Beck/Mesar/Roy/Barron tier and the Montreal 2024 first for him.

By the way, Anaheim has no interest in an LhD like Hutson or Harris.

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Quoting: WhoCares_ItsAFantasyGame

go for distraction all you want at best you'll have another scoring player at worst another Drouin's drama ...

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Quoting: WhoCares_ItsAFantasyGame

People can disagree on values (after all, that is how a market is created...if we all used same valuations, there would be nothing to gain from trading)

I am saying, instead of sending 5 pieces, try sending 1...maybe 2.
And instead of sending pieces that are excess to MTL...send pieces that are needed in ANA.

(Personally I think it would take one of the pieces you mentioned)

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