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Créé par: Anus_McLeod

Équipe: 2023-24 Avalanche du Colorado

Date de création initiale: 2 févr. 2024

Publié: 2 févr. 2024

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

First trade comes from @SMH. I wish you the best in your attempt to get another first for RyJo at the next TDL!

Second trade is a variation on a trade from @Hammerwise. I removed Johansen since he is gone in the first trade and added a third coming back to Colorado as a result. If (and I know it's a big if) Philly is willing to move on from Frost, I think this is a decent return.

Third trade is mine. As mentioned many times, SJ has only one retention slot left, so moving Kahkonen at full salary, even if the pick is a round or so later, might be pretty desirable for them.

Transactions

COL

Evans, Jake

MTL

Johansen, Ryan
Choix de 2e ronde en 2026 (COL)

COL

Frost, Morgan
Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (PHI)

PHI

Behrens, Sean [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (COL)

COL

Kähkönen, Kaapo

SJS

Prosvetov, Ivan
Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (COL)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	83 500 000 $	82 850 000 $	637 500 $	0 $	650 000 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Drouin, Jonathan 825 000 $825 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	MacKinnon, Nathan 12 600 000 $12 600 000 $ C NMC UFA - 8	Rantanen, Mikko 9 250 000 $9 250 000 $ AD, C M-NTC UFA - 2
Lehkonen, Artturi 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD NTC UFA - 4	Frost, Morgan 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ C RFA - 2	Nichushkin, Valeri 6 125 000 $6 125 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 7
Wood, Miles 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AG UFA - 6	Colton, Ross 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ C, AG UFA - 4	O'Connor, Logan 1 050 000 $1 050 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
Parise, Zach 825 000 $825 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Evans, Jake 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ C UFA - 2	Cogliano, Andrew 825 000 $825 000 $ AG UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Girard, Samuel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 4	Makar, Cale 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Georgiev, Alexandar 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ G UFA - 2
Toews, Devon 4 100 000 $4 100 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Manson, Josh 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DD NTC UFA - 3	Kähkönen, Kaapo 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Byram, Bowen 3 850 000 $3 850 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 2	Johnson, Jack 775 000 $775 000 $ DG UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Jones, Caleb 775 000 $775 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1		Landeskog, Gabriel 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AG, C NMC UFA - 6
MacDermid, Kurtis 987 500 $987 500 $ DG/DD, AG UFA - 1		Francouz, Pavel 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 1
Olofsson, Fredrik 775 000 $775 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1

2 févr. à 13 h 54

What_Are_you_Drouin

Rejoint: nov. 2018

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I think the Habs decline, this trade is too good for us, we're SuckinForMacklin mode now, Jake Evans as our 2nd C is perfect

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2 févr. à 13 h 54

JeffGorton

Jeff Gorton

Rejoint: oct. 2020

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it would have to be more than a 2nd to eat 2 years of Johansen

2 févr. à 13 h 57

ht42

Rejoint: avr. 2022

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I like the trade proposal with MTL

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2 févr. à 13 h 58

johum7

Rejoint: mars 2022

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frost is likely not moving without an extraordinary package

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CoachJoseph

Rejoint: févr. 2024

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Quoting: johum7

frost is likely not moving without an extraordinary package

Byram for Frost? Straight up! And I'm a huge Bo Byram fan so this would break my heart a little.

2 févr. à 14 h 2

sharksdoee

sharks88

Rejoint: juill. 2019

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If SJ doesn't plan on re-signing KK then sure that's a good deal.

If no one wants that deal for 1.5 years of RJ @ 4m then I'm sure the sharks would take him on for that 2nd.

Anus_McLeod a aimé ceci.

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johum7

Rejoint: mars 2022

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Quoting: CoachJoseph

Byram for Frost? Straight up! And I'm a huge Bo Byram fan so this would break my heart a little.

I love Byram, but given Flyers need down the middle I don't see it happening

CoachJoseph a aimé ceci.

2 févr. à 14 h 3

Xqb15a

Rejoint: août 2020

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Skip Evans trade but I’d do the rest

LaTornade et Anus_McLeod a aimé ceci.

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SharkTank

Tank it baby

Rejoint: juill. 2020

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Now every available player will be worth a 1st. 😬

LaTornade, Anus_McLeod et M96N29 a aimé ceci.

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#10

Anus_McLeod

Démarrer sujet

Rejoint: avr. 2020

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Quoting: CoachJoseph

Byram for Frost? Straight up! And I'm a huge Bo Byram fan so this would break my heart a little.

I wouldn't do that. The idea is to keep everyone (except RyJo) but also add. One of the appeals with Frost is his affordable contract.

LaTornade a aimé ceci.

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#11

UpsideDownQue

Rejoint: août 2017

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I think you can dump Johansen and find a better fit at 4C for cheaper than a 2nd

I like the Frost trade and the Kahkonen one is good too

LaTornade et Anus_McLeod a aimé ceci.

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#12

SMH

Mr.

Rejoint: janv. 2022

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Give me credit for the idea

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#13

Anus_McLeod

Démarrer sujet

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Quoting: SMH

Give me credit for the idea

I did in the description!!!

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#14

Anus_McLeod

Démarrer sujet

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Quoting: UpsideDownQue

I think you can dump Johansen and find a better fit at 4C for cheaper than a 2nd

I like the Frost trade and the Kahkonen one is good too

Idk, maybe. I'd be happy if that were the case.

I think Evans would be a good 4C. Maybe they have to trade him again after the year to keep the band together, but I think it will be doable.

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#15

SMH

Mr.

Rejoint: janv. 2022

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Quoting: Anus_McLeod

I did in the description!!!

Im kidding, i haven't seen this idea before so I'm proud of it

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2 févr. à 14 h 28

#16

ColonelX

Evans truther

Rejoint: juill. 2019

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Quoting: JeffGorton

it would have to be more than a 2nd to eat 2 years of Johansen

It's only one year and half of his salary is retained by Nashville so he only costs 4M.

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#17

Anus_McLeod

Démarrer sujet

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Quoting: ColonelX

It's only one year and half of his salary is retained by Nashville so he only costs 4M.

Yup, 50% retention gets him to 2M. Some other guy who made right around 2M just got traded for a first. That would be best case scenario. A more reasonable scenario is an additional 2nd or 3rd, and at worst you get a functional but overpaid player for only one more year.

2 févr. à 14 h 56

#18

F50marco

Rejoint: mai 2015

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I like the Habs deal. I would do that. I think the Frost deal is a little pricey. Not sure he's the right guy for you guys right now. SJ deal is about right.

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#19

JeffGorton

Jeff Gorton

Rejoint: oct. 2020

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Quoting: ColonelX

It's only one year and half of his salary is retained by Nashville so he only costs 4M.

Yeah 4m is a lot for a pretty bad player. 18 points in 49 games is bad. Thats a cap dump of at least 2nd and a 3rd. Then you have to pay for Evans which is probably a 3rd or 4th. Habs dont really need 3rds or 4th rounders so if you made it 2 2nds with Johansen or a 1st if the Habs add a 3rd

2 févr. à 15 h 12

#20

p1015983

Habs_fan

Rejoint: juill. 2020

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A second round pick is not enough to take on Johansen's contract. Habs got a 1st to take Monahan. Johansen's contract is worse.

2 févr. à 15 h 25

#21

Anus_McLeod

Démarrer sujet

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Quoting: p1015983

A second round pick is not enough to take on Johansen's contract. Habs got a 1st to take Monahan. Johansen's contract is worse.

You may be forgetting just how bad Monahan's contract really was. $6.375M for 23 points in 65 games. RyJo is $4M for 18 points in 49 games. Pretty much a wash on scoring but over 2M less for Johansen.

Edit: Or maybe you're forgetting that Nashville is paying half his salary.

2 févr. à 16 h 43

#22

MeetYourMakar

Rejoint: févr. 2020

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Quoting: CoachJoseph

Byram for Frost? Straight up! And I'm a huge Bo Byram fan so this would break my heart a little.

if they didnt do Bo for Gauthier, they aint 1 for 1 trading him for Frost.

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#23

ColonelX

Evans truther

Rejoint: juill. 2019

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Quoting: JeffGorton

Very true, I was just pointing out your error.

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#24

CoachJoseph

Rejoint: févr. 2024

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Quoting: MeetYourMakar

if they didnt do Bo for Gauthier, they aint 1 for 1 trading him for Frost.

Are you saying that PHI offered Gauthier for Byram, and COL said No????

I don't see COL being interested in giving up a roster player (while going for another Cup run), for a prospect that might not even play this year.
I can see a roster player for a roster player though. I think Frost for Byram is a win-win.

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#25

MeetYourMakar

Rejoint: févr. 2020

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Quoting: CoachJoseph

Yes, allegedly COL told Philly they would have to add more if they wanted Byram

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