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Potential Jake trade destinations - redo

Créé par: whitecocoa48

Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh

Date de création initiale: 1 févr. 2024

Publié: 1 févr. 2024

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

I posted an ACGM similar to this one yesterday. This is basically the same except I removed the teams that dont fit so far. Trying to get more answers on that. Also, after seeing the Lindholm trade I think we can expect a bigger return for Jake than weve been thinking. Not to mention hes a better player than Lindholm.

To be quite honest, I think we should look into signing Jake to a contract before we trade him, or let him agree to a contract with the team hes being traded to. That would up his value. A sign a trade basically. Below are teams that I think could be interested in Jake if he were to be put on the market. I went ahead and made some mock offers to show what'd i'd personally want, but please leave a comment explaining if the fit doesn't make sense and provide what could be on the table if he were to be a fit. Some of these might be lopsided in value so other pieces can be added to make it more even. These are just the base of the trade. Retention can also be on the table. I based these off of the Lindholm trade.

Below I'm gonna mark off what teams dont fit for Guentzel (just for myself so I know for future Guentzel trade ideas):
NSH - X

Transactions

1.

PIT

Bertucci, Tristan [Liste de réserve]
Bourque, Mavrik
Faksa, Radek
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (DAL)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2026 (DAL)

DAL

Guentzel, Jake

Détails additionnels:

Either signs an extention before he gets traded or after, but he has to agree.

2.

PIT

Foegele, Warren
Holloway, Dylan
Stonehouse, Brady
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (EDM)

EDM

Jake Guentzel

Either signs and extention before he gets traded or afte, but he has to agree.

3.

PIT

Fink, Aiden [Liste de réserve]
Molendyk, Tanner
Trenin, Yakov
Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (NSH)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (TBL)

NSH

Jake Guentzel

Either signs and extention before he gets traded or afte, but he has to agree.

4.

PIT

Goodrow, Barclay
Miller, K'Andre
Roobroeck, Dylan [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NYR)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (DAL)

NYR

Jake Guentzel

Either signs and extention before he gets traded or afte, but he has to agree.

5.

PIT

Goyette, David
Price, Caden [Liste de réserve]
Tolvanen, Eeli
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (SEA)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (SEA)

SEA

Jake Guentzel

Either signs and extention before he gets traded or afte, but he has to agree.

6.

PIT

Chadwick, Noah
Järnkrok, Calle
Minten, Fraser
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2026 (TOR)

TOR

Jake Guentzel

Either signs and extention before he gets traded or afte, but he has to agree.

7.

PIT

Garland, Conor
Kudryavtsev, Kirill
Lekkerimäki, Jonathan
Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (VAN)

VAN

Jake Guentzel

Either signs and extention before he gets traded or afte, but he has to agree.

8.

PIT

Brisson, Brendan
Hemmerling, Ben
Roy, Nicolas
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (VGK)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2026 (VGK)

VGK

Jake Guentzel

Either signs and extention before he gets traded or afte, but he has to agree.

Rachats de contrats

Jack Johnson: 916 667 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Jeff Petry: 1 562 500 $ (25%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
39	83 500 000 $	112 172 176 $	0 $	650 000 $	-28 672 176 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
	Crosby, Sidney 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C NMC UFA - 2	Rust, Bryan 5 125 000 $5 125 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 5
Smith, Reilly 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 2	Malkin, Evgeni 6 100 000 $6 100 000 $ C NMC UFA - 3	Rakell, Rickard 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 5
O'Connor, Drew 925 000 $925 000 $ AG UFA - 2	Eller, Lars 2 450 000 $2 450 000 $ C UFA - 2	Carter, Jeff 3 125 000 $3 125 000 $ AD, C NMC UFA - 1
Harkins, Jansen 850 000 $850 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Acciari, Noel 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ C, AD M-NTC UFA - 3	White, Colin 775 000 $775 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1
Foegele, Warren 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Bourque, Mavrik 894 167 $894 167 $ C RFA - 2	Stonehouse, Brady 845 000 $845 000 $ AD RFA - 4
Holloway, Dylan 925 000 $925 000 $ (650 000 $$650K) AG, C RFA - 1	Faksa, Radek 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 2	Järnkrok, Calle 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ AD, C, AG M-NTC UFA - 3
Trenin, Yakov 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Goodrow, Barclay 3 641 667 $3 641 667 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 4	Lekkerimäki, Jonathan 950 000 $950 000 $ AD, C RFA - 4
Tolvanen, Eeli 1 450 000 $1 450 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 1	Goyette, David 923 333 $923 333 $ C RFA - 4	Garland, Conor 4 950 000 $4 950 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3
	Minten, Fraser 845 833 $845 833 $ C, AG RFA - 4	Hemmerling, Ben 844 167 $844 167 $ AD RFA - 4
	Roy, Nicolas 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ C, AD UFA - 4
	Brisson, Brendan 925 000 $925 000 $ C, AG, AD RFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Graves, Ryan 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 6	Karlsson, Erik 10 000 000 $10 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 4	Jarry, Tristan 5 375 000 $5 375 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 5
Pettersson, Marcus 4 025 175 $4 025 175 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Letang, Kris 6 100 000 $6 100 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 5	Nedeljkovic, Alex 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ G UFA - 1
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier 825 000 $825 000 $ DG RFA - 1	Ruhwedel, Chad 800 000 $800 000 $ DD UFA - 1
Molendyk, Tanner 950 000 $950 000 $ DG RFA - 4
Miller, K'Andre 3 872 000 $3 872 000 $ DG RFA - 2
Chadwick, Noah 851 667 $851 667 $ DG RFA - 4
Kudryavtsev, Kirill 850 000 $850 000 $ DG RFA - 4

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
		Nieto, Matt 900 000 $900 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
		Ludvig, John 775 000 $775 000 $ DG RFA - 2

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#26

Rejoint: juill. 2016

Messages: 868

Mentions "j'aime": 130

Quoting: Imagine874859

Right and while you diss Jake, you're defending Sid lol. I guess we can confirm that if Laffy was on Pittsburgh he'd be a much better player huh. Same goes for Kakko. Sounds to me like you're a little jealous that those 2 won't become as good as Jake is.

Maybe.... but you changing subjects just to rationalize your argument makes you look small and wrong.
ThankS for proving my point though!!!
Winning!!!!

Anything else you'd rather refer to than the current subject??
Simpleton.

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#27

Rejoint: juill. 2016

Messages: 868

Mentions "j'aime": 130

Quoting: gpmack95

Id prefer Necas + Nikishin + 1st with Guentzel extension

Necas plus a 1st is an overpay.
Guentzel will not sniff 40 goals ever again if he leaves Crosbys wing.
25 goals per year for Guentzel away from Crosby and that is generous.

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#28

Démarrer sujet

Pens are better

Rejoint: août 2022

Messages: 1,951

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Quoting: xxToothxx

Maybe.... but you changing subjects just to rationalize your argument makes you look small and wrong.
ThankS for proving my point though!!!
Winning!!!!

Anything else you'd rather refer to than the current subject??
Simpleton.

No one has came in defending you because what you're saying is simply false in every aspect. Once again, theres nothing else you can say except "Hes plays with sid that makes him bad". Yet we've provided all the proof that Jake is far better than how you're describing. Good day sir.

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#29

mokumboi

Rejoint: avr. 2019

Messages: 29,942

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Values here are a bit askew. For instance, the VAN offer is way better than the TOR package.

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#30

Rejoint: déc. 2015

Messages: 6,773

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Quoting: xxToothxx

Necas plus a 1st is an overpay.
Guentzel will not sniff 40 goals ever again if he leaves Crosbys wing.
25 goals per year for Guentzel away from Crosby and that is generous.

Guentzel was on pace for close to 50 playing on Malkins wing in 2020 -- Guentzel played with Rodrigues and Carter two seasons ago and put up amazing numbers.

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#31

Démarrer sujet

Pens are better

Rejoint: août 2022

Messages: 1,951

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Quoting: mokumboi

Values here are a bit askew. For instance, the VAN offer is way better than the TOR package.

Read the description

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#32

Rejoint: juill. 2016

Messages: 868

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Quoting: gpmack95

Must mean Leon is overrated because he is playing with McDavid

Some of these responses are just painful to read....
Do any of you reread before you post??
Lol.... all over Jake Guentzel.... unwad your panties ladies....

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#33

Démarrer sujet

Pens are better

Rejoint: août 2022

Messages: 1,951

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Quoting: xxToothxx

Some of these responses are just painful to read....
Do any of you reread before you post??
Lol.... all over Jake Guentzel.... unwad your panties ladies....

I think this reply was meant for yourself. You quoted the wrong person, be sure to reread.

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#34

Rejoint: juill. 2016

Messages: 868

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Quoting: Imagine874859

No one has came in defending you because what you're saying is simply false in every aspect. Once again, theres nothing else you can say except "Hes plays with sid that makes him bad". Yet we've provided all the proof that Jake is far better than how you're describing. Good day sir.

Lol.... I'm sorry I'm a grown man.
I don't come here to be approved bye little boys...
You really are very silly.... Taking this a little serious eh??

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#35

Démarrer sujet

Pens are better

Rejoint: août 2022

Messages: 1,951

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Quoting: xxToothxx

Lol.... I'm sorry I'm a grown man.
I don't come here to be approved bye little boys...
You really are very silly.... Taking this a little serious eh??

You're obviously taking it serious too if you're taking the time to reply to all of these. If you're a grown man then defend yourself lol, haven't seen much of that.

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#36

Rejoint: juill. 2016

Messages: 868

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Just curious.... IF guentzel is such a stud, all star 1st lw.... why peddle him off??

Lol, they, Pitts F. O., know Sid makes that man's $$$$$

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#37

Démarrer sujet

Pens are better

Rejoint: août 2022

Messages: 1,951

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Quoting: xxToothxx

Just curious.... IF guentzel is such a stud, all star 1st lw.... why peddle him off??

Lol, they, Pitts F. O., know Sid makes that man's $$$$$

You think he's gonna want to resign here. The team hasn't been all that great, and instead of losing him for nothing this allows us to gain some future assets and look towards a rebuild.

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#38

Rejoint: juin 2016

Messages: 3,409

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Nashville has a worse points% than Pittsburgh and has a worse record in their last 10 games. They have a terrible center core and their RHD group is weak but sure they are gonna send you a really strong RW prospect, solid LHD prospect, 1st, and some extras for a winger to pair him with one of their awesome centers like *checks notes* Colton flippin Sissons. Yeah that's gonna turn their franchise around. They dont need a competent 2C or anything. They need shiney toys

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#39

Rejoint: mai 2022

Messages: 3,442

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Quoting: xxToothxx

For Guentzel???
Is Crosby coming too??
Guentzel is not a line 1 winger away from Crosby.
180 lbs maybe, not fast/not slow, no physical game, net front he's a mouse. Nothing special for a shot, average stick skills.

I'm confused.... why would ANY TEAM trade this much for so little??

Jake Guentzel has 16 goals, 24 assists, and is a +9 in 38 games without Crosby. Before you say something with such conviction, make sure you're right

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#40

Rejoint: févr. 2023

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I know you said NSH isn't a great fit, but NSH would kill for another goal scorer like Guentzel. That said, the package you have for him is a bit rich for NSH, as Molendyk is looking like Josi's replacement and will be part of NSH's future top pair. Fink has also looked good, and I'd rather have them in the future than try to add Guentzel and deny what is happening in NSH even longer.

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#41

Koi

Rejoint: mars 2022

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Quoting: Imagine874859

I've been told by Carolina fans that he isnt really a fit. But since you asked...

2024 1st
Teravainen
Nadeau
Nikishin

Something along those lines. Similar to the Lindholm trade.

That is probably too much for Guentzel. Nikishin has been elite in the KHL and Nadeau has been tearing up the NCAA. With a first too that seems steep, I know Guentzel is very good but that is a LOT to give up.

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#42

Rejoint: juill. 2016

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Quoting: JSEB93

Jake Guentzel has 16 goals, 24 assists, and is a +9 in 38 games without Crosby. Before you say something with such conviction, make sure you're right

" Kingerski would be surprised if Guentzel rejected such an offer from the Penguins. He might get a little more than that on the open market, but his stats are a little inflated from skating on Sidney Crosby’s wing for most of his career. "

Lyle Richardson, Spector Hockey. It's an industry perspective, not mine. Everyone knows ..... lol
Yeah let's pretend, for Pens fans sake, Guentzel is what drives the line???? Lol hahaha....

Oh, I'm right alright.

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#43

Rejoint: mai 2022

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Quoting: xxToothxx

" Kingerski would be surprised if Guentzel rejected such an offer from the Penguins. He might get a little more than that on the open market, but his stats are a little inflated from skating on Sidney Crosby’s wing for most of his career. "

Lyle Richardson, Spector Hockey. It's an industry perspective, not mine. Everyone knows ..... lol
Yeah let's pretend, for Pens fans sake, Guentzel is what drives the line???? Lol hahaha....

Oh, I'm right alright.

No - you're not lol. And you have nothing to back up that you are haha

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#44

Rejoint: mars 2017

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Quoting: Imagine874859

He's overrated because he pays with Crosby? I guess that makes Leon Draisaitl overrated too eh?

Quoting: gpmack95

Must mean Leon is overrated because he is playing with McDavid

Because Draisaitl plays with Warren Foegele? I'm confused.

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