maybe...he might also implement a functional d-structure that all our skill guys would have to buy in to.

Timmins leads the Leafs at 5v5 in CF%/xGF%/HDCF%/HDGF%, and out scored opponents 12-7


Will never understand the lack of trust for him. Is he perfect, absolutely not, but in a sheltered role on the 3rd pair I’d LOVE that role to be his

I'd love it to be his, too. I guess, with him, the problem is that when he makes a mistake...it tends to be a glaring one...and a lot of times it's unforced. Advanced stats aren't going to showcase that but a coach will definitely remember. Is that fair? Probably not

For sure, the lack of standards Keefe has for “his guys” over the depth guys sucks.

TJ Brodie has been god awful this year and still continues to get his mins.

Coach Q would have been the option at the start due to nobody being available and MLSE going we need a winning good coach **** the media. But now things are different

As Woodcroft, Berube, and maybe Brid'Amour (summer) being an option

The fact we got McCabe on his offside over him shows where Timmins stands

To many times that guy was just seen being bad in his own zone and especially in Buffalo it was unbearable.

He may have good stats here and there and provide offensive points but thats nothing when this teams 20th in defense

I think hes traded at the TDL in a package for an upgrade as Rielly be the only 1-way D we need.

Turning him and a 1st into Adam Larsson would be perfect

Go watch the buffalo game and other games that man in his own zone ew. Was getting Klingberg flashes

That man cannot defend and has a horrible eye test results yet has phenomenal stats. Reminds me of Gardiner and after a few playoffs with that guy pls no

Not wanting another one of those again as a small sample size for the good stats here can cloud people.

Edmonton and Toronto are very similar....can't see Woodcroft being anything other than a new voice....and Berube would be a different style for sure...wouldn't hate or love him....I just see Brind'Amour that has been able to implement a system and extract more from less....and the Hurricanes owner is notoriously cheap. If Rod is financially motivated, he's a gettable candidate.

The thing with EDM is I dont think it was Wood that was the issue but instead the guy above. Also think players got to complacent and when he got fired they went oh **** we better act or were done for lul. Sadly it was the wakeup call they needed which is odd as the new guys using the same system just with new lineups lul.

Like Wood took EDM to R3 and R2 b2b years. Wouldnt mind him


But yea if I had to guess either its Berube or maybe Brind but that guy probs extended before offseason

Do you want to fire Keefe and give him a 5yr deal to find out, though?

On Nylander….

5yrs is probably the ideal term, no?

If the goal is to keep the player throughout his most productive years, I don’t think we want to go to years 6,7 or 8 unless there’s cap savings involved

I don’t buy into Kyper saying 8x$11m, but for the sake of playing along:

5yrs @ $11.2
6yrs @ $11m
7yrs @ $10.5
8yrs @ $10

That’s the general direction I would go

It should be. Keefe sucks though

One game where the entire team gave up and you point to one player. Classic response

Edmonton and Toronto are not similar. Edmonton has McDavid, Draisaitl and a handful of other players. They have no defence, goaltending or any depth. TO does have decent depth and goaltending (when Woll is healthy) and at least a couple of decent defenceman.

McDavid took Edmonton that far. McDavid is the reason the team finds success. Take him off that team and they are a lottery team.

I don't know who I would hire but Keefe is a problem.

Wood's contract I believe was to expire in 2025 or something so EDM would still be paying him. Toronto could swoop in on short cheap deal as he would still be getting paid 2m by EDM till 2025.

Would he be my #1 choice no but at the same time EDM had success under him and heck he took them pretty far in the playoffs

And with the money savings MLSE may also be tempted as the Babcock situation may have made them go nope no more giant coaching deals

Woodcroft sucks, he'd just be a way worse version and not as punishing version of Keefe... He was literally opening and closing the doors for 97 and 29... Keefe is so much better...



Nylander over 10.25 is still a mistake IMO...

Not exactly the way coaching contracts work.

Also...not really my point, either. I wasn't looking at the commitment from a financial point of view...but if Woodcroft failed with the Edmonton roster...has he shown you enough to suggest he would succeed with Toronto's roster enough that you'd commit to him for 5yrs during everyone's prime when a different option might be available either now or in the near future?\

Either way...I wouldn't fire Keefe unless you already have his replacement lined up....and you have to be pretty damn sure the new guy is actually an upgrade. Rebuilding teams can f* up a coaching hire or two. Toronto can not.

Woodcraft (3 years HC)

Regular season 133 games coached 79-41-13 .643 win %

Playoffs 14-14 .500win% (Lost to Avs in R3 Year 1 and Lost to VGK R2 year 2)

Sheldon Keefe (5 years HC)

Regular season 301games coached 184-81-37 .671 win %

Playoffs 13-17 .433 (Lost to CBJ Qualifying round (technically miss playoffs), Lost R1 to MTL blowing a 3-1 lead to Ducharme, Lost R1 to Cooper and the TBL, Beat Cooper the following year in a lady luck battle but lost to Maurice and the panthers R2)

So yea would rather have Wood as at least the playoff results are better. As if we have learned anything Keefe gets outcoached in playoffs, for Woodcraft first two years pretty good playoff results for a new HC. If only Holland constructed a better team lul

I mean lets be real the replacement may already be here and is sitting next to him lul.

But yea would not surprise me if at some point like VGK even with a winning record Keefe may be out the door

Cause yea at this point the big concern is playoffs. Regular season we know Keefe can coach there but playoffs. Yea that man just gets railed

I think MLSE if they were looking would explore all options and if they felt Wood was the best they would probs give him a shot. And if it was 5 years probs would be first a 2 year deal then 3 year).

Either way I wouldnt mind it. As we have seen change can be good for teams sometimes just look at the wild. Cant find the tweet but so far everyone but OTT has been showing significant improvement. But this would be if Berube was snatched elsewhere

You just provided stats on why Keefe was better LMAO...

And that's adding in WTF the Oilers had to face in the playoffs...

Swept by the Jets, beat a Doughty-less, not as good Kings team and Calgary, who missed the playoffs the following year... Only to get swept by and actual team...

And this year, squeak by LA, again, only to lose to VGK by being dominated...

I'm just frustrated that nobody learns their lesson. At least they kind of got it right with Matthews. He he was still unsigned and he puts up another 60+ goal campaign, we don't get him at the number we did. Off their entry level deals, they could have had Matthew, Marner and Nylander all on much cheaper (and longer) deals if they had extended them early (I know with a high degree of certainty that Marner asked for $8m per for 8yrs in the summer before his final year). They wait, the players perform...and we end up losing a few extra million on the cap every time.

On a separate note....does anyone know what rules are in place as far as endorsements? I'm thinking of Willy doing the Rogers commercial on the subway. As part owner...could they not offer him something stupid like a $20m endorsement for the one commercial as a "handshake" agreement for negotiating a lower contract renewal?

Hypothetically...if RBC was a key sponsor....could the Leafs grant them prime advertising spots for $1 and they in turn give Matthews a huge sponsorship pkg to do those commercials?

I mean thats not really better.

Look at the game differential

If Woodcraft continued at the pace he was on he would be above Keefe Year 3

The fact Wood's got a better playoff record in less time highlights it

In general Keefe's a good regular season coach but a **** playoff coach

Wood's just been good at both. Not overly amazing but both. Cause yea those series vs. VGK and Avs could have went either way


And you do know Wood wasnt HC of the Oilers when they faced WPG to right? That was Tippett


In general EDM has had strong competition

CGY won the division the year they faced EDM and got dismantled, AVS had to score there way out of trouble, and Hill had to go god mode to get VGK the win. Heck that first year Wood outcoaching two old time NHL vets pretty impressive.

Heck even LA was not a bad team back then as they had playoff experience. Sure no doughty but if we go to our logic we lost to TBL in game 7 without Point.

Cause if we go by that logic we lost to CBJ and MTL. Two teams we should have beaten easily


Either way wouldnt mind him in Toronto

And have 50+ mill tied up in 5 players?

Not a big fan