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Créé par: Bennecon
Équipe: 2024-25 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 9 déc. 2023
Publié: 9 déc. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
22 750 000 $
21 000 000 $
2850 000 $
21 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
812 000 000 $
34 000 000 $
43 000 000 $
54 750 000 $
22 000 000 $
11 000 000 $
1875 000 $
32 000 000 $
21 000 000 $
79 250 000 $
1775 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (CHI)
CHI
  1. Nylander, William
Détails additionnels:
Sign and trade so Chicago can give him the 8th year.

Severson got a mid 3rd so I don’t think this is crazy
2.
TOR
  1. Matheson, Michael
Détails additionnels:
2023 TDL with Sean Monahan
MTL
  1. Niemelä, Topi
  2. Robertson, Nicholas
  3. Timmins, Conor
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
  5. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (CHI)
  6. Choix de 5e ronde en 2026 (TOR)
3.
TOR
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (NYI)
NYI
  1. Kämpf, David
Détails additionnels:
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2025
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2026
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2387 700 000 $87 615 500 $0 $0 $84 500 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
925 000 $925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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13 250 000 $13 250 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 1
9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
C, AD
UFA
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA
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4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AD, C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
845 833 $845 833 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
775 000 $775 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 6
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
UFA
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
766 667 $766 667 $
G
RFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
DD
RFA
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
UFA
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
875 000 $875 000 $
G
UFA
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
850 000 $850 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
Équipe de réserve
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1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ (200 000 $$200K200 000 $$200K)
AD
UFA - 2

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9 déc. 2023 à 23 h 53
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Quoting: SwarmChair
My bad.

Ahh k didn’t realize that. Yeh RFA vs. UFA is gonna make a difference there. I’m still surprised the return would be so low though, but I guess that’s the value of just Rights. Would a sign and trade be at all possible to maximize return…?


Well, if they are doing a sign and trade like NJ did with Severson, I would imagine that they could probably get more than just a 3rd, I would suspect up to a late 1st, or early 2nd, but maybe not. If CHI is doing this though, I think a) either they need a lower AAV on the 8-years or they just trade or b) they trade a 3rd for his rights just to be able to pitch a 7-year deal to him before anyone else can. That extra year is more so for the player than it is for the team if the AAV is not coming down.

Quoting: SwarmChair
Ahh okay thanks for the explanation. Makes sense now. So it’s kind of like the Hyman situation then, where he was UFA and Dubas was trying to get a small pick from the Oilers to get him that 8th year. But then Dubas didn’t take the pick. What was up with that?


I think Dubas wanted a 4th based on what teams would ask him for similar savings in terms of retention and the Oilers thought that was too much since guys usually go for 5ths or lower. Holland never offered what he wanted.
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10 déc. 2023 à 0 h 24
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Minten is the 3rd line center next season. He is not making the team as the 4th line center. Idk why Trev is looking for a 3rd line center because this season Domi has played really good there and no good on the wing.
10 déc. 2023 à 1 h 42
#28
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Quoting: GMBL
I think that's just silly to cut off any chances of being able to re-sign him for a mere 3rd. A 1st? Maybe. The Leafs will lose any advantage they have over other teams once he hits FA, but that also means Nylander is potentially losing money by missing out on that 8th year, a good team or a team that he would be interested in doesn't need to be going to offer him a similar offer. Both Panarin and Tavares passed on higher AAV offers to end up in NY and TOR, Panarin still ended up being the highest-paid winger but it's not like Tavares ended up being the highest-paid C, although he had the opportunity supposedly.

See the edit below as well.


A 1st for his signing rights? Now that is outright delusional. If it's clear an extension isn't getting done you take the best offer available for his signing right.
10 déc. 2023 à 7 h 57
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
A 1st for his signing rights? Now that is outright delusional. If it's clear an extension isn't getting done you take the best offer available for his signing right.


Not for mere signing rights, a sign and trade but I wasn't saying they would get that, I'm talking about would it be worth taking. No one is going to pay it for rights and probably not in a sign and trade either (of course I'm not suggesting a rebuilder give up a 1st either) but that's not the point. The point is it's not worth trading him for a 3rd unless there's zero chance of signing him because 1) he doesn't want to sign with the team or 2) they clearly don't have the cap to sign him (e.g they only have 5M in cap and he's going to cost 10m+), neither of which is true for Toronto at this time.

Some players you simply don't give up trying to sign them just because they are about to hit the open market and Nylander is one of those players. All that happens on July 1st is the team loses any advantage that they had over other teams, they likely lose him as well but it's quite possible to still retain him. It's better to lose him for nothing while trying to sign him in the last minutes before he becomes a UFA and trying to sign him as a UFA, than to get a 3rd for him, which is nothing in comparison.

If he says he's not signing then, sure, you take the best offer as long as he's not going to a division rival. If it's known that he intends to go to a division rival, then you don't help them get him for cheaper, even for a 3rd.
10 déc. 2023 à 9 h 28
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I wouldn't even be comfortable giving him 7 years, let alone 8 years at $12m. Honestly, for a rebuilding CHI team, giving out anything over $8.5m aav and/or over 5 years term would make me uncomfortable. Especially to a 28 year old, soon to be 29.
10 déc. 2023 à 10 h 27
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Habs laugh at you. It’s not even enough for Matheaon and you want Monahan on top of that? Lol
10 déc. 2023 à 11 h 41
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Quoting: Bennecon
Idk if someone would actually offer something like that but for Chicago who is paying no one 12 mil a year isn’t too bad and when they are good the cap will be up

But 12 x 8 is 96mil total
At 7 years to get to 96mil a team would have to pay 13.7mil a season.

So Chicago doing this would make it so no other team could or want to match


$13.7 million?!?!

Give him $8.5m-$9.5m….anything more, let ‘em walk.

13.7 would be bonkers.
10 déc. 2023 à 17 h 48
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$13.7 million?!?!

Give him $8.5m-$9.5m….anything more, let ‘em walk.

13.7 would be bonkers.

I agree
 
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