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Trade Deadline Experiment

Créé par: Acegamer
Équipe: 2023-24 Bruins de Boston
Date de création initiale: 19 nov. 2023
Publié: 19 nov. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
1.
BOS
  1. Laine, Patrik (2 700 000 $ retained)
CBJ
  1. Coyle, Charlie
  2. Grzelcyk, Matt
  3. Zboril, Jakub
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (BOS)
2.
BOS
  1. Tanev, Christopher (2 225 000 $ retained)
CGY
  1. Boqvist, Jesper
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (BOS)
3.
BOS
  1. Frost, Morgan (1 000 000 $ retained)
Rachats de contrats
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2024
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
2025
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
2026
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
Logo de BOS
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2383 500 000 $79 940 834 $4 500 000 $80 000 $3 559 166 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Blue Jackets de Columbus
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
C, AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Bruins de Boston
4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Bruins de Boston
11 250 000 $11 250 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Bruins de Boston
6 125 000 $6 125 000 $
AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
870 000 $870 000 $ (Bonis de performance80 000 $$80K)
C
RFA - 3
Logo de Bruins de Boston
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Bruins de Boston
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
C
RFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
2 300 000 $2 300 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
775 000 $775 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Bruins de Boston
925 000 $925 000 $
C
RFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Bruins de Boston
925 000 $925 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 7
Logo de Bruins de Boston
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
DG
NTC, NMC
UFA - 7
Logo de Bruins de Boston
4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Bruins de Boston
3 475 000 $3 475 000 $
G
RFA - 1
Logo de Bruins de Boston
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
-1 100 000 $-1 100 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Bruins de Boston
1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Bruins de Boston
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Bruins de Boston
787 500 $787 500 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Bruins de Boston
775 000 $775 000 $
DD
RFA - 1

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19 nov. 2023 à 19 h 53
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Switch zboril for lohrei and there’s a solid foundation for a trade there
19 nov. 2023 à 19 h 55
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That wouldn’t even cover the Sweetener and Retention on Taven and whole over pay for Morgan Frost

Make it Tanev 50% Retained FOR Lysell + Faranacci + Boqvist AND Frost $1mil Retained for a 3rd + 7th/?
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19 nov. 2023 à 19 h 56
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Quoting: SK101
Switch zboril for lohrei and there’s a solid foundation for a trade there


You are overvaluing Laine. He hasn’t worked in CBJ. Boston is taking the risk here. CBJ gets a 1st. A great centre and a top 4 D. most people would say that’s an overpayment for Laine. But I don’t think so.
19 nov. 2023 à 19 h 57
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Quoting: KingofRnR
That wouldn’t even cover the Sweetener and Retention on Taven and whole over pay for Morgan Frost

Make it Tanev 50% Retained FOR Lysell + Faranacci + Boqvist AND Frost $1mil Retained for a 3rd + 7th/?


I like that. Either way it works for the Bs
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19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 0
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Quoting: Acegamer
You are overvaluing Laine. He hasn’t worked in CBJ. Boston is taking the risk here. CBJ gets a 1st. A great centre and a top 4 D. most people would say that’s an overpayment for Laine. But I don’t think so.


The retention alone is worth more than a late first. Gryz and zboril have negative value to the jackets. I like coyle but he’s old and doesn’t fit the jackets timeline so he also has little to no value other than trade bait.
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 3
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Quoting: SK101
The retention alone is worth more than a late first. Gryz and zboril have negative value to the jackets. I like coyle but he’s old and doesn’t fit the jackets timeline so he also has little to no value other than trade bait.


Watch a few more bruins games. Gryz and Coyle bring a lot. Coyle is that solid 2 way centre with great leadership. He would bring more to CBJ than Laine.
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 4
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Quoting: Acegamer
Watch a few more bruins games. Gryz and Coyle bring a lot. Coyle is that solid 2 way centre with great leadership. He would bring more to CBJ than Laine.


They are good players just not a ton of value with their age. Maybe if you trade them and get some solid assets for them then you can use those in a laine trade but they are basically useless to the jackets
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 9
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Quoting: SK101
They are good players just not a ton of value with their age. Maybe if you trade them and get some solid assets for them then you can use those in a laine trade but they are basically useless to the jackets


Using that logic Laine is useless as well. So you get 4 assets for 1 asset. And one of those assets is a 1st.
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 9
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Quoting: KingofRnR
That wouldn’t even cover the Sweetener and Retention on Taven and whole over pay for Morgan Frost

Make it Tanev 50% Retained FOR Lysell + Faranacci + Boqvist AND Frost $1mil Retained for a 3rd + 7th/?


If we could get just Lysell for Tanev it would be a steal.
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 12
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Quoting: Acegamer
Using that logic Laine is useless as well. So you get 4 assets for 1 asset. And one of those assets is a 1st.


Assets have value though. Zboril is a negative asset. Gryz and coyle are negative to the jackets. There’s nothing in this trade that is useful to the jackets. This trade really isn’t even close either. You have to give to get
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 14
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Quoting: Lunatik
If we could get just Lysell for Tanev it would be a steal.

1-for-1, yes. Retention costs a 3rd/Faranacci and the Sweetener to Win him over the rest of the Competition = 5th/6th/7th/Boqvist
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 16
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Quoting: KingofRnR
1-for-1, yes. Retention costs a 3rd/Faranacci and the Sweetener to Win him over the rest of the Competition = 5th/6th/7th/Boqvist


No, it would still be a steal with retention. We'd be lucky to get Lysell in a Hanifin or Lindholm deal, the odds of a Tanev deal are next to none.
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 17
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Quoting: SK101
Assets have value though. Zboril is a negative asset. Gryz and coyle are negative to the jackets. There’s nothing in this trade that is useful to the jackets. This trade really isn’t even close either. You have to give to get


If you are talking trade assets though. Some would argue that at this point both Coyle and Gryz have better trade value than Laine.
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 18
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If you are talking trade assets though. Some would argue that at this point both Coyle and Gryz have better trade value than Laine.


Not at all. If they do it’s not to the jackets.
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19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 22
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Quoting: KingofRnR
That wouldn’t even cover the Sweetener and Retention on Taven and whole over pay for Morgan Frost

Make it Tanev 50% Retained FOR Lysell + Faranacci + Boqvist AND Frost $1mil Retained for a 3rd + 7th/?


Wrong team. I like Tanev. He doesn’t really have a long term spot with Boston and doesn’t carry even remotely that close in value. It would be a poor allocation of funds even without the borderline absurd request for price.

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Switch zboril for lohrei and there’s a solid foundation for a trade there


What do you think Laine’s value actually is? Just curious. He’s DNP and makes a tad under $9M. I’m pretty comfortable Laine isn’t worth his current salary. Boston is better off waiting and seeing if Columbus will trade him for pennies on the dollar if they can’t take a player in free agency.
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 25
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Quoting: Celtics21
Wrong team. I like Tanev. He doesn’t really have a long term spot with Boston and doesn’t carry even remotely that close in value. It would be a poor allocation of funds even without the borderline absurd request for price.



What do you think Laine’s value actually is? Just curious. He’s DNP and makes a tad under $9M. I’m pretty comfortable Laine isn’t worth his current salary. Boston is better off waiting and seeing if Columbus will trade him for pennies on the dollar if they can’t take a player in free agency.


Laine is worth every cent when healthy. He’s been a PPG when healthy the last two years. Problem is he hasn’t been healthy. Jackets aren’t trading him for Pennie’s that for sure. Might not have as much trade value as he used to but he worth way more than this package. If the jackets trade him they are going full rebuild and would want a top prospect for him
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 26
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Not at all. If they do it’s not to the jackets.


Actually what I meant is that if CBJ wanted to flip them. They would get a higher return than if they only had Laine as an asset. And I would debate their impact on the team as well. But if you are arguing that they don’t need to win they are rebuilding and just need picks then I would argue that you will not receive a 1st round pick for Laine from any team as his value has bottomed out. So Gryz and Coyle are just a bonus.

And if CBJ didn’t want to compete why would they sign players like Provorov and Severson ?
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 28
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Laine is worth every cent when healthy. He’s been a PPG when healthy the last two years. Problem is he hasn’t been healthy. Jackets aren’t trading him for Pennie’s that for sure. Might not have as much trade value as he used to but he worth way more than this package. If the jackets trade him they are going full rebuild and would want a top prospect for him


Great. Hopefully you find a team that thinks the same. Boston is going to be in a position to sign a player outright without giving up anything. Even if they did, my guess is it wouldn’t be Laine
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19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 29
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Laine is worth every cent when healthy. He’s been a PPG when healthy the last two years. Problem is he hasn’t been healthy. Jackets aren’t trading him for Pennie’s that for sure. Might not have as much trade value as he used to but he worth way more than this package. If the jackets trade him they are going full rebuild and would want a top prospect for him


If he’s not healthy then why don’t they have him on the IR. Instead he’s a healthy scratch. He doesn’t work in CBJ and should be traded for culture character players. That’s what CBJ needs more of.
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 29
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The Bruins should not spend any 1st or 2nd round picks this year, period. They should not trade any prospects that project to be in the top 6 unless it is a swap for other prospects that project to be in the top 6. Despite their current record, this is not the year to go all in. Maybe they can make some fringe moves to add depth using picks in the 3rd round or later.
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19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 31
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Quoting: Lunatik
No, it would still be a steal with retention. We'd be lucky to get Lysell in a Hanifin or Lindholm deal, the odds of a Tanev deal are next to none.

Yeah, I’m not that high on Lysell tbh. He hasn’t been very impressive since he was Drafted and doesn’t have very good Skill Ratings. That said, he’s still young and could make me look dumb for saying that one day

I Agree @Celtics21, BOS doesn’t need Tanev, they already have Carlo, but TOR & EDM will likely end up paying the price I’m suggesting
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 33
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Great. Hopefully you find a team that thinks the same. Boston is going to be in a position to sign a player outright without giving up anything. Even if they did, my guess is it wouldn’t be Laine


Right, this is my thinking too. Laine still has term, but in this case that is a bad things for the Bruins. I don't think I'd want to tie up 8.7m for the next two years unless it is for a center. I'm not trying to crap on Laine as much as saying I think the opportunity cost of bringing him in is too high. There will be decent UFA wings available in the offseason and Boston will have cap space, but they wouldn't be able to even consider bringing any of them in.
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 34
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Yeah, I’m not that high on Lysell tbh. He hasn’t been very impressive since he was Drafted and doesn’t have very good Skill Ratings. That said, he’s still young and could make me look dumb for saying that one day

I Agree Celtics21, BOS doesn’t need Tanev, they already have Carlo, but TOR & EDM will likely end up paying the price I’m suggesting


Tanev would be a strong depth D for a playoff run.
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 45
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Poorly thought out and just bad in general plus made the team worse.
19 nov. 2023 à 20 h 47
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Poorly thought out and just bad in general.


Insightful commentary as usual. Lol
 
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