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If the Oilers blow it up

Créé par: JeffGorton
Équipe: 2023-24 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 12 nov. 2023
Publié: 12 nov. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
This is a full blown blow up, like at minimum a 5 year rebuild.

RNH stays as hes a Oiler lifer and the next captain. Ekholm can stay as vet leader ship. Hyman can be dealt when a retention opnes up.

I probably got the values wrong but no one really knows these players actual values
Transactions
1.
EDM
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Engström, Adam [Liste de réserve]
  3. Slafkovsky, Juraj
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (CGY)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (PIT)
  6. Choix de 1e ronde en 2026 (MTL)
2.
EDM
  1. Faber, Brock
  2. Gaudreau, Frédérick
  3. Merrill, Jon
  4. Öhgren, Liam
  5. Rossi, Marco
  6. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (MIN)
  7. Choix de 1e ronde en 2026 (MIN)
MIN
  1. McDavid, Connor (6 250 000 $ retained)
3.
EDM
    For retaining 3.1m of Mcdavids deal
    CHI
    1. Savoie, Carter
    2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (PIT)
    4.
    EDM
    VAN
    1. Nurse, Darnell (4 625 000 $ retained)
    Rachats de contrats
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    Enfoui
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    2024
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2583 500 000 $76 711 625 $850 000 $4 725 000 $6 788 375 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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    925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance650 000 $$650K)
    AG, C
    RFA - 1
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    5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
    AG, C
    NMC
    UFA - 6
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    5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    NMC
    UFA - 5
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    5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
    AG, AD
    NMC
    UFA - 3
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    4 450 000 $4 450 000 $
    C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    874 125 $874 125 $
    AD, C
    RFA - 1
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    2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
    C, AG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 5
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    863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
    C
    RFA - 2
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    807 500 $807 500 $
    AD, C
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
    C
    RFA - 2
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    2 600 000 $2 600 000 $
    G
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
    3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    762 500 $762 500 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Wild du Minnesota
    925 000 $925 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    775 000 $775 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 225 000 $$3M)
    AD, AG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Wild du Minnesota
    1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    762 500 $762 500 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    900 000 $900 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    775 000 $775 000 $
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    UFA - 1

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    12 nov. 2023 à 4 h 9
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    PDG over PDO
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    Canucks pass
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    12 nov. 2023 à 6 h 40
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    CHI might consider that. I doubt they would have any interest in Savoie, though.
    12 nov. 2023 à 6 h 57
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    If Leon was signed longterm sure. But hes not, so no.
    Also Mcdavid and Leon seem to have horrible attitudes, even going back 3/4 seasons. Id be skeptical
    12 nov. 2023 à 7 h 4
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    If this was a sign & trade in the offseason, Habs maybe do this. Not for 1.5 years of Drai though, even though he's great
    12 nov. 2023 à 8 h 24
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    Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
    If Leon was signed longterm sure. But hes not, so no.
    Also Mcdavid and Leon seem to have horrible attitudes, even going back 3/4 seasons. Id be skeptical


    Name the last competent Management they played under
    MSL as Coach, Hughes as GM . . I think Drisatl's happy.
    12 nov. 2023 à 8 h 44
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    Quoting: Billy316
    Name the last competent Management they played under
    MSL as Coach, Hughes as GM . . I think Drisatl's happy.


    They've had how many coaches already in their careers?
    They're culpable too. Ya Edm has run circles a bit-but lets face it, these guys have to lead the way on the ice
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    12 nov. 2023 à 8 h 53
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    Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
    They've had how many coaches already in their careers?
    They're culpable too. Ya Edm has run circles a bit-but lets face it, these guys have to lead the way on the ice


    But lead what? They've lead the league and the team , others have to show up too or at least be brought in
    I watched Wendall Clark in TML do the same for years.
    He chose to stay loyal instead of leave and suffered for it.
    Dri and McD dont want to split up more then they want to be in EDM
    If a team can capitalize on that locking up Dri and making room for McD
    I think they'd play awesome

    Lets say CHI makes the room long term to overpay them
    Surround Bedard with the best talent for the first few years.
    Maybe they work out a deal for both to stay, maybe they dont.

    SEA is another team in a position to go all in
    12 nov. 2023 à 10 h 13
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    This is so bad
    12 nov. 2023 à 12 h 4
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    Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
    They've had how many coaches already in their careers?
    They're culpable too. Ya Edm has run circles a bit-but lets face it, these guys have to lead the way on the ice


    Quoting: Billy316
    But lead what? They've lead the league and the team , others have to show up too or at least be brought in
    I watched Wendall Clark in TML do the same for years.
    He chose to stay loyal instead of leave and suffered for it.
    Dri and McD dont want to split up more then they want to be in EDM
    If a team can capitalize on that locking up Dri and making room for McD
    I think they'd play awesome

    Lets say CHI makes the room long term to overpay them
    Surround Bedard with the best talent for the first few years.
    Maybe they work out a deal for both to stay, maybe they dont.

    SEA is another team in a position to go all in


    They're a product of their environment and that environment has been pretty stagnant, especially through their development years.
    Top heavy lineup with no direction or shared responsibility through the forward group, poor personnel decisions on and off the ice, a perpetual search for a goaltender that will solve issues that can't be narrowed down to that one position, and just hedging their bets in general by settling on the next best thing instead of spending assets to secure players that will make a difference.

    It's not McD and Draisaitl's fault that Edmonton became a 2 man show. That's the position they were put in.
    Of the seven 1st round picks since McDavid, only Bouchard is making meaningful contributions. Two of those ended up being "busts" and the most recent three simply aren't ready (yet?).
    The other is Broberg, who is hovering somewhere between bust and not ready yet.
    They finally made an impact move acquiring Ekholm, but you can't play the waiting game while McDavid's contract years are ticking away.

    They aren't the only team to gamble on a UFA goaltender over the last few years and regret it, but is the goaltending consistency related to the ability of their goaltenders over the last several years, or is it a product of the construction and deployment of the team in front of them?

    The bottom 6 lacks identity and inclusion. They only see the ice because McDavid and Draisaitl can't play 60 minutes straight.
    When your job description is basically "don't get scored on while the real players are resting", it's not particularly motivating or likely to result in offensive contributions.
    The defense have all proven capable to varying degrees at one point or another, but they lack cohesiveness as a unit and they're expected to prop up that same flawed forward group.

    Two players aren't going to solve all the issues, so stop focusing on what they are or are not doing. It's what's going on with the rest of the team that is an issue.
    A good team can get by with average goaltending, but only a few truly elite goaltenders can get by with an average team. If you can't get one of the latter, focus on the "good team" part.
    There are plenty of average goaltenders available when the team is ready for one.
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    12 nov. 2023 à 12 h 22
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    Canucks easily decline. Nurse is not worth all that.
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    12 nov. 2023 à 17 h 1
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    Canucks pass, we already have an overpaid d-man who sucks at playing defense. We might consider trading for Nurse and giving you Tyler Myers, but we would need to sign him to a contract extension for the next 7 years first, so you'll be saddled with a terrible d-man for as long as you want to saddle us with one.
    13 nov. 2023 à 9 h 15
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    Quoting: Epic_Ninja_Dude
    Canucks easily decline. Nurse is not worth all that.


    He is at 4.6m

    Hes still a very good d man. Nearing elite level. His issue is that hes overpayed by 2m. Nurse at 4.6m for 7 years is a bargain.
    13 nov. 2023 à 13 h 47
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    Quoting: JeffGorton
    He is at 4.6m

    Hes still a very good d man. Nearing elite level. His issue is that hes overpayed by 2m. Nurse at 4.6m for 7 years is a bargain.


    Whoops, I completely missed the retention for some reason. At $4.6M he's a good contract, certainly not worth the $9M+ that he's making now though. It's still a pretty price to pay, but at 50% retained Nurse is probably worth that. Just don't see him as a fit for Vancouver, giving up 2 1sts+ for what would at best be a 2nd pairing guy doesn't seem like the best idea.
    13 nov. 2023 à 14 h 1
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    McDavid and Kaprizov is now my new worst nightmare, especially since it’s within my team’s division
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    13 nov. 2023 à 17 h 51
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    Quoting: Epic_Ninja_Dude
    Whoops, I completely missed the retention for some reason. At $4.6M he's a good contract, certainly not worth the $9M+ that he's making now though. It's still a pretty price to pay, but at 50% retained Nurse is probably worth that. Just don't see him as a fit for Vancouver, giving up 2 1sts+ for what would at best be a 2nd pairing guy doesn't seem like the best idea.


    I wouldnt see him as a 2nd pairing guy, more like a 1B. Pairing him with Hronek and letting Wallander go with Hughes would be a dirty top 4 and a very cheap one for a few years
    13 nov. 2023 à 17 h 55
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    Quoting: IconicHawk
    McDavid and Kaprizov is now my new worst nightmare, especially since it’s within my team’s division


    McDavid vs Bedard for 10+ years would be so much fun though
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    14 nov. 2023 à 7 h 10
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    Quoting: ricochetii
    They're a product of their environment and that environment has been pretty stagnant, especially through their development years.
    Top heavy lineup with no direction or shared responsibility through the forward group, poor personnel decisions on and off the ice, a perpetual search for a goaltender that will solve issues that can't be narrowed down to that one position, and just hedging their bets in general by settling on the next best thing instead of spending assets to secure players that will make a difference.

    It's not McD and Draisaitl's fault that Edmonton became a 2 man show. That's the position they were put in.
    Of the seven 1st round picks since McDavid, only Bouchard is making meaningful contributions. Two of those ended up being "busts" and the most recent three simply aren't ready (yet?).
    The other is Broberg, who is hovering somewhere between bust and not ready yet.
    They finally made an impact move acquiring Ekholm, but you can't play the waiting game while McDavid's contract years are ticking away.

    They aren't the only team to gamble on a UFA goaltender over the last few years and regret it, but is the goaltending consistency related to the ability of their goaltenders over the last several years, or is it a product of the construction and deployment of the team in front of them?

    The bottom 6 lacks identity and inclusion. They only see the ice because McDavid and Draisaitl can't play 60 minutes straight.
    When your job description is basically "don't get scored on while the real players are resting", it's not particularly motivating or likely to result in offensive contributions.
    The defense have all proven capable to varying degrees at one point or another, but they lack cohesiveness as a unit and they're expected to prop up that same flawed forward group.

    Two players aren't going to solve all the issues, so stop focusing on what they are or are not doing. It's what's going on with the rest of the team that is an issue.
    A good team can get by with average goaltending, but only a few truly elite goaltenders can get by with an average team. If you can't get one of the latter, focus on the "good team" part.
    There are plenty of average goaltenders available when the team is ready for one.


    Remove Nurse and you got the Cap to hire as productive of a replacement and 4-6m left to spend on depth.
    Thats EDM real issue . You can overpay productive studs
    But when your Goaltending sucks no matter who's in net, who the coach is and with none of the same D
    The Common factor is and always will be Nurse

    Nurse is a solid 4-5m dollar player tops
    But they paid him Seth Jones money when he aint Seth Jones level of Skill.
    Just saying replace him with lets say David Savard or even Connor Murph coupled with Ekholm leading
    You got the time and space to Truly Develop Bouchard into the top 10 NHL D i know he is.


    Nurse is still attractive to some
    But thats only teams in similar situations.
    Like Weber/Subban deal its nothing to do with talent or fairness or value.
    It'll have to be a simple contract exchange most likely or something close.

    Nurse for Huberdeau is another Neal vs Lucic type gamble
    But the change of scenary is a bonus for both.
    Both teams Need what the other is offering too
     
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