Quinn Hughes Karlsson comp

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Créé par: Tbrew

Équipe: 2023-24 Devils du New Jersey

Date de création initiale: 10 nov. 2023

Publié: 10 nov. 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Did this last year, so doing it again this year. Have fun feeling whatever valid emotion you experience while you look at this.

Dylan DeMelo · $900,000
Chris Tierney · $2,937,500
Rūdolfs Balcers · $0 (AHL/JR)
Joshua Norris · $0 (Signing Rights)
2020 1st round pick (SJS - #3 - Tim Stützle) [Conditional]*
2021 2nd round pick (SJS - #39 - Zack Ostapchuk) [Conditional]**
2019 2nd round pick (FLA - #44 - Jamieson Rees) [Conditional]***
Conditional 1st round pick****

****Sens receive a 1st round pick from the Sharks (no later than 2022) if Karlsson is on an Eastern Conference roster (reserve list) during the 2018-19 season.
****Result: Condition not met, no pick is transferred.
*Conditions: Ottawa receives Sharks 2019 1st round pick if Sharks do not make the playoffs. If Sharks make the playoffs, Ottawa receives Sharks 2020 1st.
*Result: Sharks made the 2019 playoffs, Ottawa receives Sharks 2020 1st round pick
**Conditions: Sens receive Sharks 2021 2nd round pick if Karlsson is re-signed. The selection upgrades to a 2021 1st if Sharks reach the Stanley Cup final in 2019.
**Result: Sharks re-signed Karlsson but did not advance to the Stanley Cup final. Ottawa receives Sharks 2021 2nd round pick.
***Conditions: 2019 2nd round pick is the higher of the two picks the Sharks currently own: Panthers and their own.
***Result: Ottawa will receive Panthers 2019 2nd round pick.

I am trying to use the same position for the comps, and am not taking into consideration either team’s needs.

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Détails additionnels:

Player - Comp
Description

Hughes - EK
Centerpiece

Sasson - Perron
young AHL filler. I don’t know anything about him, so if you like him just replace with an appropriate option in your brain

VAN

Bahl, Kevin
McLeod, Michael
Nemec, Simon
Stillman, Chase
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (NJD)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (NJD)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2026 (NJD)

Détails additionnels:

Player - Comp
Description

Nemec - Norris
Top Prospect. For Ottawa that was Norris, for NJ that’s Nemec. A grade Prospect
Not sure there’s a good forward prospect at this level for the devils to use instead

McLeod - Tierney
Bottom Six young established NHL center able to play up and down the lineup when needed.
If Defensemen - Bahl

Stillman - Balcers
B Prospect in the AHL.
Other forward options could be Foote, Filmon, or an unsigned prospect

Bahl - DeMelo
Young NHL defensemen with room to grow
Forward option could be Holtz, but moving Holtz likely means a downgrade elsewhere. Maybe Bastian is more appropriate, but probably means adding value to another comp.
Could also have a goalie replacement for the position with Schmid here as a younger NHL goalie with some upside

For the picks:

Two 1sts should be all but guaranteed, since NJ has a much more positive outlook for their playoff future. Maybe that’s hindsight talking, but maybe just top pick or top 3 protection hanging there. Or you can imagine similar conditions to what EK trade actually had doesn’t matter to me

Rachats de contrats

Cory Schneider: 2 000 000 $
Janne Kuokkanen: 325 000 $

Frais appliqués

Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	83 500 000 $	86 531 667 $	422 500 $	2 312 500 $	-3 031 667 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Meier, Timo 8 800 000 $8 800 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 8	Hughes, Jack 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ C UFA - 7	Bratt, Jesper 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 8
Palat, Ondrej 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 4	Hischier, Nico 7 250 000 $7 250 000 $ C UFA - 4	Toffoli, Tyler 2 125 000 $2 125 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Tierney, Chris 775 000 $775 000 $ C UFA - 1	Haula, Erik 3 150 000 $3 150 000 $ C, AG NTC UFA - 3	Bastian, Nathan 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ AD UFA - 2
Nosek, Tomas 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Sasson, Max 870 000 $870 000 $ (80 000 $$80K) C RFA - 2	Holtz, Alexander 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD, AG RFA - 2
Willman, Max 775 000 $775 000 $ AG UFA - 1		Lazar, Curtis 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD, C UFA - 2
		Mercer, Dawson 894 167 $894 167 $ (400 000 $$400K) AD, C RFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Siegenthaler, Jonas 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ DG UFA - 5	Hamilton, Dougie 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 5	Vanecek, Vitek 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ G UFA - 2
Smith, Brendan 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ DG/DD, AG UFA - 1	Marino, John 4 400 000 $4 400 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Schmid, Akira 850 833 $850 833 $ (57 500 $$58K) G RFA - 1
Hughes, Quinn 7 850 000 $7 850 000 $ DG UFA - 4
Hughes, Luke 925 000 $925 000 $ (925 000 $$925K) DG/DD RFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
	Miller, Colin 1 850 000 $1 850 000 $ DD UFA - 1

10 nov. 2023 à 20 h 4

GuyGuyGuy

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Casey would be a better choice than Nemec

10 nov. 2023 à 20 h 4

Mediumyeet

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There is not a single thing NJD could offer to get Quinn. He is as untouchable as they get especially now that he is our captain.

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10 nov. 2023 à 20 h 4

Kinger25

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Seems like a bit of an overpayment but he’s likely worth it

10 nov. 2023 à 20 h 12

TyeZerker

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I see we Still cant stop trying to get brothers on the same team for no reason. Move on. what is this my eyes are burning

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10 nov. 2023 à 20 h 12

drambui

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i feel holtz would be a better comparable to norris than Nemec.

10 nov. 2023 à 20 h 16

NHLfan10506

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…or wait a few years and we’ll get him for free

10 nov. 2023 à 21 h 5

theleano1

PDG over PDO

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Vancouver isn't moving Hughes

10 nov. 2023 à 21 h 15

Tbrew

Démarrer sujet

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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy

Casey would be a better choice than Nemec

He was actually who I had in there first before I decided Nemec, so I would definitely agree

Quoting: Mediumyeet

There is not a single thing NJD could offer to get Quinn. He is as untouchable as they get especially now that he is our captain.

That’s not really the exercise here though. It’s just building a trade comparable to what SJ gave up for the best offensive defensemen playing at that time

Quoting: Kinger25

Seems like a bit of an overpayment but he’s likely worth it

Can’t imagine anything less than an overpay wiggles him free from Vancouver rn, right?

Quoting: TyeZerker

I see we Still cant stop trying to get brothers on the same team for no reason. Move on. what is this my eyes are burning

Well the reason would be because Quinn Hughes is very good at hockey. This isn’t necessarily something I would want to happen though, but im just building what I think could be a comp to one of the biggest blockbusters of the decade. So I’m not sure what there is to move on from

Quoting: drambui

i feel holtz would be a better comparable to norris than Nemec.

My two thoughts were Nemec and Casey. I feel like they (right now) have the same top line ceiling that Norris had at the time.

Quoting: NHLfan10506

…or wait a few years and we’ll get him for free

The outcome I would want for sure. I’m not team trade for Quinn at all

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10 nov. 2023 à 21 h 16

Tbrew

Démarrer sujet

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Quoting: theleano1

Vancouver isn't moving Hughes

That’s fine, but also not the point. The point is what a comparable trade would be using the Erik Karlsson deal

10 nov. 2023 à 21 h 20

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NHLfan10506

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Quoting: Tbrew

The outcome I would want for sure. I’m not team trade for Quinn at all

By 2025, new Harris Blitzer CEO Jim Hughes will get it done

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10 nov. 2023 à 21 h 41

#11

Epic_Ninja_Dude

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Karlsson is not a good comparison for Hughes. Statistically, Hughes is a similar player to what Karlsson was at the time of the trade. However, Hughes just turned 24 a few weeks ago while Karlsson was 28 and a half years old when dealt. Additionally, Hughes has 4 year of term left while Karlsson was a rental at the time of the deal with just 1 year left on his contract.

The fact that Hughes is 4.5 years younger and comes with 4x the term would make his value much more than Karlsson's. Simply put, there is no comparison for Quinn Hughes on the trade market since a player of his calibre at his age simply hasn't been moved for probably 30+ years, if ever at all.

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11 nov. 2023 à 6 h 55

#12

YeahDudeitsChris

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Neither side does this. NJ doesn’t need a no1 Dman with Hamilton already being paid for it, neither side wants to part with the assets necessary to make it happen, and NJ can’t afford his contract rn anyway. Revisit when he wants to leave as a UFA

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