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Is binnington the answer

Créé par: smokewiseganja
Équipe: 2023-24 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 8 nov. 2023
Publié: 8 nov. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  1. Binnington, Jordan
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (STL)
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  1. Bourgault, Xavier
  2. Campbell, Jack
  3. Desharnais, Vincent
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
  6. Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (EDM)
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8 nov. 2023 à 11 h 50
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I’m basing this on 2 firsts to dump all of Campbell’s deal, then 2 2nd’s + D for Binny. I doubt he costs much
8 nov. 2023 à 11 h 52
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Binnington is not worth that much, he's been up and down himself, just a little younger and Cup Ring in his pocket.. If they were to make Binnington/Campbell deal, Bourgault yes, Broberg likely replaces Desharnais and it would be a mid round pick IF necessary to get Binnington for $1m more as a cap hit and same term remaining....
8 nov. 2023 à 12 h 3
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Dude, your offer doesn't even pay for them to take Campbell.
8 nov. 2023 à 12 h 16
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Dude, your offer doesn't even pay for them to take Campbell.


Are you out of your mind? Binnington is a mid AF. You should be happy anyone wants to give anything for him. There's a 1st and two 2nds in the deal.

The reality is this trade is dumb as a whole because it's basically a lateral move, and a very EDM trade to make. There's not much separating Binnington and Campbell at this point in their careers.
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8 nov. 2023 à 12 h 27
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
Are you out of your mind? Binnington is a mid AF. You should be happy anyone wants to give anything for him. There's a 1st and two 2nds in the deal.

The reality is this trade is dumb as a whole because it's basically a lateral move, and a very EDM trade to make. There's not much separating Binnington and Campbell at this point in their careers.


I'd honestly take the goalie with slightly worse numbers over the one who throws a hissy fit every time he let's up a soft goal.
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8 nov. 2023 à 12 h 39
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Quoting: SociallyHawkward
I'd honestly take the goalie with slightly worse numbers over the one who throws a hissy fit every time he let's up a soft goal.


Not sure a team that was the favorite to win the cup this year would feel the same way. And Campbell's numbers this season are much more than "slightly worse"
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8 nov. 2023 à 12 h 55
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
Are you out of your mind? Binnington is a mid AF. You should be happy anyone wants to give anything for him. There's a 1st and two 2nds in the deal.

The reality is this trade is dumb as a whole because it's basically a lateral move, and a very EDM trade to make. There's not much separating Binnington and Campbell at this point in their careers.


Quoting: SociallyHawkward
I'd honestly take the goalie with slightly worse numbers over the one who throws a hissy fit every time he let's up a soft goal.


You guys are talking about their career performances. Edmonton doesn't care about that. Edmonton doesn't care that Binnington was bad last season, or that Campbell was good a couple years ago and that's brought their current numbers pretty close to each other. Edmonton cannot afford to miss the playoffs. They need good goaltending *right now*. Binnington is giving that. Campbell is on waivers. That's where the conversation starts for teams in win now mode.

I understand why one would think it probably won't last with Binnington (I agree) and I certainly don't want to be involved in defending that contract or his general demeanor but to act like swapping Binnington for Campbell wouldn't be a dramatic shot in the arm for a floundering team right now based on how they've played *right now*...I just can't relate to that. Especially when you're basing it off of the career averages of players known to be volatile.
8 nov. 2023 à 12 h 56
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Quoting: SociallyHawkward
I'd honestly take the goalie with slightly worse numbers over the one who throws a hissy fit every time he let's up a soft goal.


Truth.
8 nov. 2023 à 13 h 4
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You guys are talking about their career performances. Edmonton doesn't care about that. Edmonton doesn't care that Binnington was bad last season, or that Campbell was good a couple years ago and that's brought their current numbers pretty close to each other. Edmonton cannot afford to miss the playoffs. They need good goaltending *right now*. Binnington is giving that. Campbell is on waivers. That's where the conversation starts for teams in win now mode.

I understand why one would think it probably won't last with Binnington (I agree) and I certainly don't want to be involved in defending that contract or his general demeanor but to act like swapping Binnington for Campbell wouldn't be a dramatic shot in the arm for a floundering team right now based on how they've played *right now*...I just can't relate to that. Especially when you're basing it off of the career averages of players known to be volatile.


If they want a bad goalie that's had a good few game start to the season go after mrazek or Jake Allen. Guys with less term and less money owed. Don't go after one of the few guys with a worse contract than the one you're trying to get rid of.
8 nov. 2023 à 14 h 53
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Quoting: SociallyHawkward
If they want a bad goalie that's had a good few game start to the season go after mrazek or Jake Allen. Guys with less term and less money owed. Don't go after one of the few guys with a worse contract than the one you're trying to get rid of.


?? have you looked at binners numbers this year?
8 nov. 2023 à 14 h 54
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Are you out of your mind? Binnington is a mid AF. You should be happy anyone wants to give anything for him. There's a 1st and two 2nds in the deal.

The reality is this trade is dumb as a whole because it's basically a lateral move, and a very EDM trade to make. There's not much separating Binnington and Campbell at this point in their careers.


Hes literally been on of the best goalies to start the year. Just look at his numbers
8 nov. 2023 à 14 h 54
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Gonna give better stuff for the blues to make a deal out of this
8 nov. 2023 à 14 h 55
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Hes literally been on of the best goalies to start the year. Just look at his numbers


I said this in the other great where you spewed your ignorance. He's played 8 games. Spencer friggin Martin is a top ten goalie in SV%, so you need to calm down. Binnington's last two seasons have been garbage.
8 nov. 2023 à 14 h 55
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Gonna give better stuff for the blues to make a deal out of this


You're clueless.
8 nov. 2023 à 14 h 57
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I said this in the other great where you spewed your ignorance. He's played 8 games. Spencer friggin Martin is a top ten goalie in SV%, so you need to calm down. Binnington's last two seasons have been garbage.


So your gonna base his abilty of one bad year last year behind a bad defense, Yea youve lost it
8 nov. 2023 à 14 h 57
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You're clueless.


rich coming from the guy that doesnt understand value
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8 nov. 2023 à 14 h 57
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So your gonna base his abilty of one bad year last year behind a bad defense, Yea youve lost it


One bad year? How about two bad years in a row?
8 nov. 2023 à 14 h 58
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rich coming from the guy that doesnt understand value


Doesn't understand value? You're getting almost an identical goalie in return plus top futures. You're basically getting free futures with no real change to your goaltending ability.
8 nov. 2023 à 14 h 59
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One bad year? How about two bad years in a row?


nope only one was bad the other was average and the one before that was great
8 nov. 2023 à 14 h 59
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
Are you out of your mind? Binnington is a mid AF. You should be happy anyone wants to give anything for him. There's a 1st and two 2nds in the deal.

The reality is this trade is dumb as a whole because it's basically a lateral move, and a very EDM trade to make. There's not much separating Binnington and Campbell at this point in their careers.


Purely clueless. As usual. And newsflash, a 1st and a 2nd does not cover taking Campbell's 15M trash contract. OBVIOUSLY.
8 nov. 2023 à 14 h 59
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Doesn't understand value? You're getting almost an identical goalie in return plus top futures. You're basically getting free futures with no real change to your goaltending ability.


Thats like saying jarry and hellybuck are identical goalies
8 nov. 2023 à 15 h 1
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Thats like saying jarry and hellybuck are identical goalies


No, it's not. Binnington has been a shadow of the goalie he was since winning the cup the last TWO years. .901 and .894 respectively. That's garbage and that's TWO years in a row.
8 nov. 2023 à 15 h 3
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Purely clueless. As usual. And newsflash, a 1st and a 2nd does not cover taking Campbell's 15M trash contract. OBVIOUSLY.


It's a financial wash in the trade for a goalie who's the same level of Binnington and you get a 1st and a 2nd. It's a huge win for STL.
8 nov. 2023 à 15 h 6
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It's a financial wash in the trade for a goalie who's the same level of Binnington and you get a 1st and a 2nd. It's a huge win for STL.



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Quoting: SociallyHawkward
I'd honestly take the goalie with slightly worse numbers over the one who throws a hissy fit every time he let's up a soft goal.


Well, as long as you're not wildly exaggerating to the moon and back...
8 nov. 2023 à 15 h 6
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No, it's not. Binnington has been a shadow of the goalie he was since winning the cup the last TWO years. .901 and .894 respectively. That's garbage and that's TWO years in a row.


Nope 901 is fine and last year was a fluke as hes proven by the start to this year
 
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