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Poulin should play

Créé par: pensfan21
Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 18 oct. 2023
Publié: 18 oct. 2023
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I'm all for the bottom 6 being low event, but they still need to chip in from time to time. I think Poulin deserves a chance. If he succeeds there and then we make a bottom 6 move and 3rd pair D move at deadline I think we can be in good shape. Shore up bottom 6 then get a stay at home defensive 3rd pair guy at deadline.
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18 oct. 2023 à 21 h 55
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Ducks pass.
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18 oct. 2023 à 21 h 55
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Joseph is better then Carter lol
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18 oct. 2023 à 21 h 58
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Joseph is better then Carter lol


3 years vs 1 is the big thing
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Ducks pass.


We'd probably add a pick or two
18 oct. 2023 à 22 h 3
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We'd probably add a pick or two


We've got no interest in Smith. His biggest knock is his lack of effort and he'd be behind 3 other young LHD we already have. That's not something we're interested in.

To get Lyubushkin would take an overpay such that we are willing to buy another defensive RHD or are willing to give up Minyukovs development time in the NHL this year. The value that Bush has to us as a babysitter for a rookie D is far greater than his market value even retained. I'm not even sure we sell him at the TDL.
18 oct. 2023 à 22 h 4
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3 years vs 1 is the big thing


Yea maybe if both players suck. Joseph is a serviceable player if used right and can really skate
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18 oct. 2023 à 22 h 4
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We'd probably add a pick or two


TDL for a 3rd and a different tweener than Smith might get it done. Ducks have zero need for Smith. He holds no value to them.

There’s also a chance the ducks don’t move Lyubushkin at all depending on how the season goes. He’s a defensive presence for whichever kid is playing 3LD. Right now it’s Mintyukov but if Zellweger comes up he could do the same for him.
18 oct. 2023 à 22 h 6
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Yea maybe if both players suck. Joseph is a serviceable player if used right and can really skate


It really depends on where both teams are at the deadline imo. If you guys are very comfortably in the playoff race then I doubt you do this
19 oct. 2023 à 13 h 3
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Find me ONE reason why the Sens would do this and 100$ would be coming your way. Unless Carter is going on LTIR all season and I didn't know about it

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Yea maybe if both players suck. Joseph is a serviceable player if used right and can really skate

He's actually playing out of his mind, extremely valuable
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19 oct. 2023 à 13 h 5
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Find me ONE reason why the Sens would do this and 100$ would be coming your way. Unless Carter is going on LTIR all season and I didn't know about it


He's actually playing out of his mind, extremely valuable


In today’s game, I think speed is valuable more than ever
19 oct. 2023 à 13 h 11
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In today’s game, I think speed is valuable more than ever

Yep, one of the best skaters in the NHL certainly help, plus he's relentless and has great defensive awareness (which is why he's elite on the PK)

His shot is actually been dangerous this year and he can make plays. The line with Greig and Tarasenko looks very good
19 oct. 2023 à 15 h 30
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3 years vs 1 is the big thing


Ottawa has no issues with Joseph's contract. He may be about 500k/year overpaid but term isnt the reason his name is circulating through the rumour mills.

The Sens need to clear space for sign Pinto asap. 5.5m in dead cap coming off the books next offseason plus the increase in cap makes the only issue this season. So 1 year v 3 years doesnt matter because trading for Carter at the same cap hit brings them no closer to signing Pinto this year and on top of that losing Joseph for the next two years hurts them even more. Would have to be a pass.
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Ottawa has no issues with Joseph's contract. He may be about 500k/year overpaid but term isnt the reason his name is circulating through the rumour mills.

The Sens need to clear space for sign Pinto asap. 5.5m in dead cap coming off the books next offseason plus the increase in cap makes the only issue this season. So 1 year v 3 years doesnt matter because trading for Carter at the same cap hit brings them no closer to signing Pinto this year and on top of that losing Joseph for the next two years hurts them even more. Would have to be a pass.

The thing is he was just overpaid last season. CF has created this stupid narrative that he is a MAJOR cap dump but right now he actually looks UNDERPAID. And if you look at his 2021-22 season, same thing. Scoring 30 ES+PK pts in 69 games is very valuable. It's actually a better rate than several Top-6 forwards at ES.

But that's not the most important part of his game, as we can see below, way above average at ES defense and Elite on the PK. Of course, his raw production is that of a 3rd liner

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21 oct. 2023 à 8 h 0
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The thing is he was just overpaid last season. CF has created this stupid narrative that he is a MAJOR cap dump but right now he actually looks UNDERPAID. And if you look at his 2021-22 season, same thing. Scoring 30 ES+PK pts in 69 games is very valuable. It's actually a better rate than several Top-6 forwards at ES.

But that's not the most important part of his game, as we can see below, way above average at ES defense and Elite on the PK. Of course, his raw production is that of a 3rd liner

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I’m with you 100%, I love what he brings to the team and even last year his play was still valuable without the puck going in as much as it should’ve.

When I said he’s likely 500k overpaid I just meant if his contract was 2.5m instead of 3m per year I don’t even think there would be this big outside push to move him.

Just need Pinto to get a new agent so a verbal contract can be had. Dorion moves Kubalik for a mid round pick. Then the Joseph talk will finally end for good.
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