Cale easy imo

This is so hard. I'm an Oilers fan, but I loooovvveee Makar. My only knock on Makar is he can't seem to completely stay healthy.
IDK how to answer tho, both are elite, franchise level players...

Big Oilers and Drai fan, he is easily a top 5 player in the league, but Makar is better.

Not comparable IMO. Personally don't even like comparing RD to LD, and it would depend on a each teams positional depth.

The Oilers are deeper at RD than at centre though, so I believe that Edmonton would say no before Colorado.

I’m biased, but I take Cale without much hesitation. He’s just such a unique player.

Drai rules though. He impressed me during the Avs cup run. Guy could barely move due to injury and still was dominating.

Makar

Draisaitl all day only other player aside from McDavid that is guaranteed to get 100 pts and he is pass first 50 goal scorer

Hm did u not watch draisaitl last 5 seasons? Or the last 2 playoff runs but ur an oilers fan right?

Oilers are deeper at RD compared to Colorado??!
Makar and Manson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bouch and Ceci

I've watched every single game and playoff run of the Oilers besides a few games here or there each year.
Makar is a slight bit better, extremely hard to compare as one is a RD and the other is a C so I can understand the difference in opinion we have.

So ur aware that draisaitl set nhl records on one leg while also being the first player since 1995 to put up 55G and 55A in 2021-2022 obviously McDavid did it last year but still one of the 3 players since 1995 to put up stat line like that also is one of the greatest playoff performers the nhl has ever seen but alright Man U watch every game I guess

Leon imo

How many elite centers are there? now how many DMen can do what Makar does? Draisaitl most overrated player in league, he cant even control his own line. he thrives on McDavid and piggybacks off of him. show me 1 highlight (wow factor) goal from him. ill wait......

It doesn't make much sense to compare guys that play vastly different positions. They're both the kind of player you'd build a team around, no hesitation and are both elite at their position and how much they effect the game; having a strong 1C is key but so is having a strong 1D.

Leon easy

Using stats isn't a great argument as one of them is a C and the other a D but since we're tossing them out there Drai is 1.166 Points per game at .479 Goals per game.
Makar 1.034 Points per game at 0.273 Goals per game, shockingly close for a defenseman who is put out against other teams elite to shut them down vs a point getting forward.

Again, I love Drai and he is easily top 5 in the NHL, but player vs player scoping the entire game of hockey Makar takes a slight edge.

I'd recommend watching some games, stats don't mean a thing if you don't actually see the players and how they get them.

Yes

Makar vs Bouchard

Avs have Makar, Manson, Malinski, and Clurman with Ishimnikov and Romaine probably never being signed

Oilers have Bouchard, Ceci, Desharnais, Kemp, Wanner, and Akey

Controlled zone exits go way down for all but the most elite defenseman playing their offside. Lefties play LD and righties RD IMO

I recommend you watch some games cause obviously you don’t watch and what’s draisaitl PPG since Makar entered the league?

Clearly ur probably just a bandwagon fan that just watches the playoffs or something but I don’t even think u watch the playoffs either lol cause if u did u would be aware of what draisaitl did when he was injured and how players on opposing teams target him and btw I went to every playoff game away and home for the last 2 seasons.

Manson vs Ceci. Went 2 seasons since Manson only had 27 games last season.

Oh, and Johnson vs Desharnais

I can’t tell if you’re ****posting here.

If your read of advanced stats tells you that Makar and Bouchard are comparable players, you may need to take a step back and think about the context of those advanced stats and what they actually mean. It shouldn’t be a hot take that Makar is the best defenseman in the world (maybe #2 if you love Fox). Bouchard isn’t even the best defenseman in Edmonton.

Please explain what advanced stats actually mean and the context they're in?

You just ignore all the other information too, and what depth means. But accuse me of **** posting lol

I wasn’t accusing you of anything, I just figured that the argument you were making was so absurd that you were just messing around.

We can all contort advanced stats any way we want to fit a narrative but it you manage to contort it in a way where you are comparing Cale Makar to Evan Bouchard, you aren’t acting in good faith lmao.

All I did was put a link to their on ice numbers last season at 5v5 per 60 minutes of ice. The best way to compare players eliminating special teams , and TOI or games played differences. No contortion. If I were including special teams then Bouchards on ice numbers are even better.
But my original point and why I compared ALL the RD was that the Oilers are deeper at the position, so an Elite centre is probably more important to the team then another RD even if it is Makar, whom they can't afford.
Depth is not expressed in comparing one player to another or 2 to 2. You said Makar/Manson are better than Bouchard/Ceci contorting the argument away from depth, because again the Oilers also have Desharnais, Kemp, Wanner, and Akey. Who do the Avs have after Makar and Manson?
Yes Makar is better than Bouchard. The numbers I referenced show that still, but that isn't the argument and wasn't mine.

Please, if you want to argue at least take into account the premise, and everything the other person has said