You could get Jospeh and a pick to take his salary, but you're not getting JDB on top of that.

Also just moving JDB doesn't free up enough cap to sign Pinto which is likely 2.5 per on a bridge deal.
JDB has been very slow in development and at most would only still be a 7th D this year, more than likely Kleven ( 21 yr old, 6'4, LD who played/s at North Dakota with Sanderson, comparable is Phanef) rockets past him in the Ottawa depth charts if he shows well at camp and was already top 3 in fitness training this week.

It’s going to be an equivalent for sure tho. OTT fans can argue with a wall til they are blue in the face. If all it took to move Joseph was a 2nd or a decent prospect it would have been done already. I guarantee you Briere wants one of the 1st rounders to take on Joseph. It’s clear as day that Joseph is the player they are trying to move so if the OTT GM is set on that then the deal would have been done already if it only costs a 2nd or 3rd to move him. I have been trying to tell Sens fans that but none of you seem to grasp that ur at will of whatever the other GM wants because he has clearly decided it is Joseph getting moved

Gotcha, but with the Sens actively pursuing a playoff spot, it seems essential to have Pinto in the line-up to make that happen. A move is coming, but no matter how you look at it, they are at the disadvantage when it comes to make a move. I could see a decent prospect on the back end being moved, since with Chychrun, Chabot, Sanderson, Zub, Brannstrum and Hamonic seemingly being the 6, they could 'afford' to lose one.

I could see JBD getting moved. I still think he's got potential as a good "defensive D" - but I mean, the hope is that he becomes Zub-like - but it looks like that probably doesn't happen by the time Zub's contract is up.

JBD is a 3rd pair guy right now for many teams who I think has the ability to play higher when needed with a more offensive guy and not kill you. He's the current best player of the RHD prospects/young players - but Lassi Thomson isn't far behind, Brannstrom can play right side if Kleven kicks in the door, etc....

Joseph isn't a pure salary dump - they'd want to keep him if he made $1M less. He was in their top pair of PK forwards last year. Much better defensively than average NHL player. Worse offensively than average NHL player - but still better than replacement level.

I think rather than "AHL player" the Sens are looking for a prospect of similar trajectory to JBD that's further away - a player who's still in junior or NCAA.

It's not clear as day when Kubalik/Bran is there. They both have value, just not much when there is a cap to consider so the return might not be great but at least assets are there for future use.

Everyone thought that Zaitsev was going to be moved by attaching Grieg/Jarventie and or a 1st. He was traded with a 2nd... who's a better player with significantly less cap hit? Joseph is also the younger player and will most likely have the best opportunity to bounce back. Our valuations are off regardless.

Or they'll move Kubalik for future considerations at worst. Business is business.

Good luck with that lmao. There’s been no report of him trying to move either of them only reports of him constantly trying to move Joseph. Nobody is taking a 2nd for a $9M player when Bailey was only owed $5M and got dumped for a 2nd. Again good luck with that lol

I don't think there have been any credible reports of trying to move Joseph either - just us nobodies on places like this or fan articles/podcasts.

I mean, it makes the most sense looking just at contract values, but other things could happen.

You mean Elliotte Freidman last week and quite literally this morning reporting on it? Might wanna do some more research lol

Not sure TB has 260k cap space nevermind 2.6 million.pass.

Instant decline, not moving JBD

I don't want to trade Joseph but at the same time, Pierre Dorion is the GM so it's his call. He makes a lot of stupid things (like trading Gustavsson for Talbot or trading a 2nd for Stepan and his 6.5 AAV) so maybe he will pay a stupid price to move Joseph that they have been so high on for a long time. That'd be ridiculous once again, but it is what it is.

My solution is a lot easier and beneficial : trade Kubalik

If you want Kubalik, you can have him at a bargain price (like a 4th) and could probably make a good profit at the deadline (at least a 2nd?). Just give him PP time.


Kleven is LHD, Bernard-Docker is RHD, They are not in competition together. JBD is being groomed to be a defensive D-man after Hamonic and Zub move. He will play this year (injuries) as he is on a 1-way contract


Don't waste your time with this poster lol. He's the type of asking Greig + 1st for taking Zaitsev but then disappears when it's 2nd + 4th

Double post again

I definitely can see kubalik, but it just seems weird to ship a guy out after acquiring him, especially after if he's already settled in the two months span since trading him. But like Green said, business is business.

Either way I can't see Pinto being unsigned much longer, whether he takes an insane discount or the Sens ship out one of the mentioned players.

I just picked a random contending team, forgot to mention that.

I think they are trying to convince Pinto to sign a 1 year cheap deal. The young man has to understand that it could pay off from him as well (that's his agent's job)

2023-24 : 1.0 AAV
2024-25 to 2029-30 : 5.0 AAV

2023-24 + 2024-25 : 6.0 (instead of getting 2.5 x 2 years now)

He can sign a long term deal as early as January, which is in 3 months...

Regarding Kubalik, you're right that it'd be a bit of jerk move now that he has settled. He should have been moved right away when Tarasenko was signed, but I'd guess that Dorion didn't like the return, that he couldn't get a 2nd round pick due to the massive cap crunch so he's a bit stuck with that. Hard to "save face" by trading either Kubalik or Joseph

The thing is in the end of the day, Kubalik hasn't played a single game with this team and is UFA at the end of the year (Sens need to invest their cap space in a long term Pinto extension and a top-6 forward to upgrade Tarasenko). Joseph is a top PK forward and not just on the Sens, league wide. Plus, his ES defense is good and his ES production is underrated because he didn't score an ES goal last year.