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STL acquires Nylander but realistic proposal

Créé par: CantStopWontStop
Équipe: 2023-24 Blues de St-Louis
Date de création initiale: 6 sept. 2023
Publié: 6 sept. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Unfortunately, stl cannot trade away it’s top ice time rhd, trade away no top 6 skaters, and receive only nylander (no rhd) back. It makes no sense. Nhl trade rumors was good when they didn’t make up stuff. If you’re going to make stuff up then:

1. The salary cap exists
2. Depth charts exist

If nylander to stl happens before the season starts, because the cap is so tight for both parties as well as both rosters being set, it’s roughly player in, player out, position in, position out, dollar in, dollar out. It is extremely hard to find convoluted multiplayer trades that bounce around both teams depth charts at this stage of the season with the cap climate. In the rare case some convoluted trade occurred, you would see teams trading from abundance. In this case, rhd is the opposite of abundance for stl.

Below is an example of what would work. And I am not 100% sure even this works with the cap for the immediate season. Both teams are beyond where they’d usually sit relative to the cap - they’re closer than they want to be due to pandemic, and both teams would likely celebrate any cap relief that came through a trade.

Perhaps there is some mega deal that involves Parayko. Who knows right? We’ll see. But if that happens at this moment in time each player going out has to more or less have an equivalent player coming back and the total dollars have to basically be equal.
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6 sept. 2023 à 8 h 9
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If the Leafs trade Nylander, it's going to be a bigger package than that TBH...
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If the Leafs trade Nylander, it's going to be a bigger package than that TBH...


I agree that’s likely.

This is more of an exercise in putting the correct peg in the correct hole, not so much whether everybody likes the pegs I picked.
6 sept. 2023 à 8 h 11
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I agree that’s likely.

This is more of an exercise in putting the correct peg in the correct hole, not so much whether everybody likes the pegs I picked.


It's too early to be reading about pegs and holes...
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I agree that’s likely.

This is more of an exercise in putting the correct peg in the correct hole, not so much whether everybody likes the pegs I picked.


Yeah, but most Leafs fans (except the ones that want Nylander to resign) would rather help on the blue line or riding the year out and getting someone of equal value in FA
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6 sept. 2023 à 8 h 15
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blues say no they are giving up the 2 better players. no reason to do that for a ufa and a injure prone winger
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6 sept. 2023 à 8 h 16
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It won't. I can't wait for this stupidity to end
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blues say no they are giving up the 2 better players. no reason to do that for a ufa and a injure prone disaster


You hate the leafs more than you like the blues
6 sept. 2023 à 8 h 18
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blues say no they are giving up the 2 better players. no reason to do that for a ufa and a injure prone disaster


I personally agree with you. Well, I personally think Buchnevich is severely underrated and I wouldn’t do this deal.

But I also think Nylander is set to have an absolute monster season, and I think when Toronto does ultimately move him, that they get more than what I have in the proposal in return from somebody.

Feels like a trade that would happen right as the season ended.
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You hate the leafs more than you like the blues


No im just realistic
I like Nylander and Robertson but there is just no reason for the blues to do this and every single blues fan will tell you that
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6 sept. 2023 à 8 h 22
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Original rumour was add a first to Toronto and Robertson wasn’t going the other way
6 sept. 2023 à 8 h 22
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No im just realistic
I like Nylander and Robertson but there is just no reason for the blues to do this and every single blues fan will tell you that


No you aren't you are as hopelessly bias as you accuse everyone else of being.
6 sept. 2023 à 8 h 27
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No you aren't you are as hopelessly bias as you accuse everyone else of being.


Well yea im a blues fan but this is just thinking logically, also its annoying seeing the same dumb trade on every single blues and leaf acgm
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Blues get the best payer in the deal but without an extension it's a loss for them
6 sept. 2023 à 8 h 29
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No you aren't you are as hopelessly bias as you accuse everyone else of being.


Everyone is bias when it comes to their own team, especially leafs fans, even if you can make the case that Nylander is better than buchnevich. Buch is a centreman and locked up for 2 years at a great salary.. then you trade robertson for neighbour's which is almost a wash with neighbour's having more nhl success than robertson and he was scout and selected by the blues org.

Not to mention if I'm buch I have all 7 canadian teams on my no trade list because of the taxes and inflation going on here right now
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Well yea im a blues fan but this is just thinking logically, also its annoying seeing the same dumb trade on every single blues and leaf acgm


Logic the best player is not a blue and you are claiming the 2 best players are on your side. That isn't logic
6 sept. 2023 à 8 h 57
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Logic the best player is not a blue and you are claiming the 2 best players are on your side. That isn't logic


Buch is overall better than Nylander, quit being bias
6 sept. 2023 à 9 h 18
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Buch > Nylander in the fact that his contract is better and his overall playstyle fits the Blues better. It's all about system.

Blues don't want Nylander and his eventual 9+ mil cap hit

Deal won't happen here, so stop trying
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Buch is overall better than Nylander, quit being bias


I would rather have Buchnevich on my team from a hockey perspective.

I think this is a case where off-ice details put nylander ahead:

Whoever does acquire nylander will extend.

As a result, they’re buying all of his best years (based on age and historic performance) with minimal tail end risk, depending on the term. They’re going to get 6-8 years of term. You get all of the 27-31 years after the date of the trade.

Buchnevich has 2 years of term, so he cannot be extended. Even if there is a handshake agreement, his next contract will start at age 30. That’s going to be tough. How much term do you give? He will want as much as he can get. Gonna sign him through his 36th or 37th year? Idk, but that’s kind of the decision. This is all decided for the gms. There are charts that show curves of performance and curves of salary.

I feel those 2 different contract situations make nylander the more valuable asset, even if not the better hockey player, and even if one thought Buchnevich or nylander were better, it is not substantial difference, in my opinion they’re both in the bottom half of the top 10 at their position league-wide and both will be able to keep that spot or improve on it the next 2-4 years.
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6 sept. 2023 à 9 h 28
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I would rather have Buchnevich on my team from a hockey perspective.

I think this is a case where off-ice details put nylander ahead:

Whoever does acquire nylander will extend.

As a result, they’re buying all of his best years (based on age and historic performance) with minimal tail end risk, depending on the term. They’re going to get 6-8 years of term.

Buchnevich has 2 years of term, so he cannot be extended. Even if there is a handshake agreement, his next contract will start at age 30. That’s going to be tough. How much term do you give? He will want as much as he can get.

I feel those 2 different contract situations make nylander the more valuable asset, even if not the better hockey player.


I just wouldn't want to pay Nylander the money he is demanding. Sure he's performing well but he's also second line. What will happen when/if he gets top line minutes against better talent?

but mainly just don't want him due to his money demands and stubbornness in the past. 10+ mil for a question-mark on a new team in a new system.
6 sept. 2023 à 9 h 29
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Original rumour was add a first to Toronto and Robertson wasn’t going the other way


Hahahahahaa what???? Dude... there never was any rumor about this. Just delusions.
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6 sept. 2023 à 9 h 30
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Hahahahahaa what???? Dude... there never was any rumor about this. Just delusions.


Nope definitely rumours
6 sept. 2023 à 9 h 31
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I would rather have Buchnevich on my team from a hockey perspective.

I think this is a case where off-ice details put nylander ahead:

Whoever does acquire nylander will extend.

As a result, they’re buying all of his best years (based on age and historic performance) with minimal tail end risk, depending on the term. They’re going to get 6-8 years of term. You get all of the 27-31 years.

Buchnevich has 2 years of term, so he cannot be extended. Even if there is a handshake agreement, his next contract will start at age 30. That’s going to be tough. How much term do you give? He will want as much as he can get. Gonna sign him through his 36th or 37th year? Idk, but that’s kind of the decision.

I feel those 2 different contract situations make nylander the more valuable asset, even if not the better hockey player, because even if one thought Buchnevich or nylander were better, it is not substantial difference.



Dude, what are you on about? There's nothing reasonable or realistic about any of this. Buch is not available and he's worth at least as much as Willy anyway.
6 sept. 2023 à 9 h 32
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Nope definitely rumours


Bull****. I dare you to show us ANY actual reporting about this utter nonsense.
6 sept. 2023 à 9 h 34
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Bull****. I dare you to show us ANY actual reporting about this utter nonsense.


https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2023/09/leafs-rumors-william-nylander-linked-to.html
6 sept. 2023 à 9 h 35
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Bull****. I dare you to show us ANY actual reporting about this utter nonsense.


Nvm that rumour had parayko this is a totally different trade
 
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