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Is Kyrou Impossible

Créé par: Pikey_777
Équipe: 2023-24 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 26 août 2023
Publié: 1 sept. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Similar to the Tkachuk Trade

With a couple minor signings
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
UFAANSCAP HIT
1900 000 $
21 250 000 $
Transactions
CGY
  1. Kyrou, Jordan
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (STL)
STL
  1. Hanifin, Noah
  2. Mangiapane, Andrew
  3. Schwindt, Cole
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (CGY)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2383 500 000 $79 863 333 $0 $850 000 $3 636 667 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
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UFA - 8
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4 850 000 $4 850 000 $
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UFA - 1
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8 125 000 $8 125 000 $
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900 000 $900 000 $
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RFA - 1
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 6
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3 100 000 $3 100 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 2
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762 500 $762 500 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
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5 350 000 $5 350 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 1
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4 900 000 $4 900 000 $
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NTC
UFA - 4
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863 333 $863 333 $
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2 300 000 $2 300 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 1
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825 000 $825 000 $
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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UFA - 8
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4 550 000 $4 550 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 3
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3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
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UFA - 1
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
DD
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2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $
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762 500 $762 500 $
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1 sept. 2023 à 12 h 42
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The big difference being Kyrou doesn't want to leave so that offer is terrible.
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1 sept. 2023 à 12 h 45
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The big difference being Kyrou doesn't want to leave so that offer is terrible.


I wouldn't say this 'offer is terrible' for Kyrou.
1 sept. 2023 à 12 h 51
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Quoting: Wilson_W_Wilson_Jr
I wouldn't say this 'offer is terrible' for Kyrou.


Quoting: Wilson_W_Wilson_Jr
I wouldn't say this 'offer is terrible' for Kyrou.


A likely late first, a dman who will want to be paid (while the Blues already have enough money tied up in D), Bread man no where near Kyrou and a mid prospect is a terrible offer. Kyrou just turned 25 and is signed until 33 (great age to end a contract for an organization). There is nothing desirable for Kyrou in this deal. If he's potting 30+ goals a season, his deal will look great with the cap expected to go up.

Maybe that package isn't terrible in itself, but it's terrible for STL.
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1 sept. 2023 à 12 h 52
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That's way too much to give up
1 sept. 2023 à 13 h 0
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Just little ironic. Kyrou draft pick originally was cgy, that they give for elliot. And now some willing give for him 1st +prospect + roster player.
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1 sept. 2023 à 13 h 7
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To answer your question, yes, it's impossible. For now, anyway.

And yeah, that offer is hella crap. AND the Blues cannot even come close to affording it.
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1 sept. 2023 à 13 h 21
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Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
A likely late first, a dman who will want to be paid (while the Blues already have enough money tied up in D), Bread man no where near Kyrou and a mid prospect is a terrible offer. Kyrou just turned 25 and is signed until 33 (great age to end a contract for an organization). There is nothing desirable for Kyrou in this deal. If he's potting 30+ goals a season, his deal will look great with the cap expected to go up.

Maybe that package isn't terrible in itself, but it's terrible for STL.


I know the value of Kyrou and how his contract will age.

But, Hanifin, Mangiapane, and a 1st is not a 'terrible' or 'crap' offer for Kyrou. Try again. Use another word.
1 sept. 2023 à 13 h 24
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Not bad value wise, but Blues shouldn’t be adding rentals.
1 sept. 2023 à 13 h 34
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Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
The big difference being Kyrou doesn't want to leave so that offer is terrible.


No the big difference is Kyrou is a 1 dimensional player who is good but doesn't hold a candle to Tkachuk. I would rather go after Ehlers or Nylander if that's the type of player Calgary wants to add. Kyrou is like Dube but scores more on the PP
1 sept. 2023 à 13 h 45
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counter offer: kyrou, and one of Leddy, parayko, krug, scandella, or faulk (whichever will waive)
return: hanifin, cornato or mangiapane, and both 2025 thirds.
1 sept. 2023 à 13 h 45
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Quoting: Wilson_W_Wilson_Jr
I know the value of Kyrou and how his contract will age.

But, Hanifin, Mangiapane, and a 1st is not a 'terrible' or 'crap' offer for Kyrou. Try again. Use another word.


I guess you can't read.....

"Maybe that package isn't terrible in itself, but it's terrible for STL."
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1 sept. 2023 à 14 h 1
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It's highly unlikely the blues would move Kyrou. I mean they just signed him to an 8 year deal.
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1 sept. 2023 à 14 h 2
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Quoting: Armstrongs_burner
counter offer: kyrou, and one of Leddy, parayko, krug, scandella, or faulk (whichever will waive)
return: hanifin, cornato or mangiapane, and both 2025 thirds.

So Kyrou, and Parayko for Hannifin, Coronato, Mang and (2) 3rds? I’ll take it.
1 sept. 2023 à 14 h 5
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
No the big difference is Kyrou is a 1 dimensional player who is good but doesn't hold a candle to Tkachuk. I would rather go after Ehlers or Nylander if that's the type of player Calgary wants to add. Kyrou is like Dube but scores more on the PP


I don’t think he is the same player as Tkachuk, but I think he’s more of a complete player than you’re alluding too. I would entertain the idea of Ehlers, but I have question marks around Nylander.
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1 sept. 2023 à 14 h 6
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Just little ironic. Kyrou draft pick originally was cgy, that they give for elliot. And now some willing give for him 1st +prospect + roster player.

I did not know that Kyrou would’ve been Calgarys pick, that is funny.
1 sept. 2023 à 14 h 43
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I don’t think he is the same player as Tkachuk, but I think he’s more of a complete player than you’re alluding too. I would entertain the idea of Ehlers, but I have question marks around Nylander.


More complete? In what way? He's a defensive liability, his offense is what makes him a good player. I would take Nylander over him in a heartbeat. Nylander is a better play driver
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1 sept. 2023 à 14 h 54
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Considering that he just signed 8yr deal worth $65M. I think it's safe to say Kyrou is impossible or at the very least it would take far more than Calgary would want to spend to pry him out of STL.
1 sept. 2023 à 14 h 59
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That's way too much to give up


?? That literally doesn’t even get Kyrou tho
1 sept. 2023 à 15 h 0
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Quoting: Armstrongs_burner
counter offer: kyrou, and one of Leddy, parayko, krug, scandella, or faulk (whichever will waive)
return: hanifin, cornato or mangiapane, and both 2025 thirds.


Hey who are you
1 sept. 2023 à 15 h 14
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?? That literally doesn’t even get Kyrou tho


Clearly we value him quite differently then
1 sept. 2023 à 15 h 21
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Quoting: Erbas1915
Clearly we value him quite differently then


Lol yea unless you meant to many pieces
Which I can see 4 pieces for 1 sometimes doesn’t work
1 sept. 2023 à 15 h 46
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Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
The big difference being Kyrou doesn't want to leave so that offer is terrible.


This is how you started this thread.

Quoting: Prime_Jimbo


"Maybe that package isn't terrible in itself, but it's terrible for STL."


AND then you immediately backtracked and followed it up with this....

Hahahahaha
1 sept. 2023 à 15 h 48
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
More complete? In what way? He's a defensive liability, his offense is what makes him a good player. I would take Nylander over him in a heartbeat. Nylander is a better play driver


He's not always a liability on D, and he sharply trended in the right direction the last 30-35 games. Also, Kyrou was third on the Blues and second among their forwards in takeaways last season. He was one outside the top 50 in the league in that category, and would have also been third on the Flames last season. Just for a reference, he had 12 more than Lindholm in fewer minutes. His transition work from D zone to O zone is the #1 reason the Blues led the league in rush goals. So no, he's not just a one zone player. He's probably just a young player who needed to learn.
1 sept. 2023 à 16 h 2
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Quoting: xercuses
Lol yea unless you meant to many pieces
Which I can see 4 pieces for 1 sometimes doesn’t work


I just don't think trading 1sts is wise decision given the Flames current situation. And Kyrou, while a very good player, doesn't move the needle enough to justify the price
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1 sept. 2023 à 17 h 30
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Quoting: Erbas1915
I just don't think trading 1sts is wise decision given the Flames current situation. And Kyrou, while a very good player, doesn't move the needle enough to justify the price


That’s fair, I don’t think the flames should either
 
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