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Re Karlsson: I think he's a hall of famer. He had an epic season last year. Literally a historic season for even strength offense from a defenseman. But people are quick to forget he was good the year before and only okay the year before that. And unlike his Ottawa days when he was unfairly maligned for his below average but fine defensive play, he is really bad defensively now. Given all that and his age, it's as likely as not that we get the good, but not special offensive player of the last few years and terrible defensively as the world beater. If I could sign him for 7 mil for a few years right now I'd do it no question. But given his contract and acquisition cost, I'm not sure Id want to take that gamble. It is super high risk, high reward

Cal Foote: he gets so much love and I'm convinced it's just based on his dad and size. He hasn't done anything to deserve this love. I see people signing him for like 1.5 mil plus. Why? What has he done?

K I know Raymond seems like a hot take. I don't think it is though let me explain. I think he's a great player and a good building block. He shows high end skill. But I've seen people talk about how he is absolutely untouchable. Like wouldn't be included in trades for young superstars. And it MADE sense to me as I assumed he followed up his rookie season with like a 30 g and 60 pt season and no he had sub 20 goals and 40 odd points. He's still a very good young player and they should want to build around him. But that is a sophomore slump. I've seen people valuing him more than say Laine at the same age who was getting 40+ goals. So I hope this isn't a hot take. I'd love to have him. He's great. It just seems the hype is TOO high

I used to be high on Boeser. But at this point he's going off of respect he earned earlier in his career. He's declined for a while and at this point it seems not just a blip. No idea why he declined so young.

Gibson same think as boeser but more extreme. I legit would have argued he was the second best goalie in the league, behind vasi and ahead of Helle at 3 about 4-5 years ago. What the heck happened? He was in his prime? Either way though hes been bad for a while now

Carter Hart is going to piss people off. I still think he has upside. He's under 25 and has been quite good and times. I also get he's been on a ****ty team which can hold him back. But frankly he's had 5 NHL seasons and among them: two good, two okay to poor, and one bad (and it was really bad). His good seasons were his first two

Martin Jones is on GM's not fans. He hasn't had a good season in the last 5. Literally his last good season was 2017/2018. That is 2 years before the pandemic started. Think how long ago that was. Why the hell is he still getting signed, and to above min. He got more last year than raanta got this year. Why?

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Who is as surprised as I am that over the last three years Toffoli is 13th in points and 8th in goals by a rw? I was genuinely shocked to realize he's been an above average FIRST LINE rw on this contract by production.

Brodie being underrated I blame on three things: (1) dumb Leafs fans who don't understand that defensive does not equal physical. He's a high end defensive defenseman who can play both sides and has consistently made his partner better since he got to the Leafs no matter who it is, (2) Frank Seravelli being an idiot and suggesting for no reason the Leafs could buy him out, making fans of other organizations incorrectly thinking he's bad/a dump, and (3) like 2 bad games in the teams last series.

I'm going to do Devon Toews and Shea Theodore together as its the same thing. They're the "other guy" to a bigger star on a first pair. But they're both legit #1 defenseman who are literally like #12-15 overall defenseman. They're just so overshadowed.

I feel weird that I'm calling Miller underrated as I am generally hard on defensively poor physical forwards like this but he seems to get no love outside of Vancouver and it's bizarre. He's literally a back to back 30 goal scoring point per game player (99 points two years ago), who plays all three forward positions, is quite good in the dot, and really physical. Yes he's flawed defensively but that doesn't make him bad. I don't get his lack of any appreciation
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4 août 2023 à 18 h 52
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Harts been above average in terms of sv% and GAA in 4 of his 5 seasons in the NHL and 3 of those seasons the flyers defense was ranked bottom 3 in the NHL. Oh and he’s only 24, give me a break 😂 if you want to name overrated players you should name the entire Leafs team that chokes every year in the playoffs for a decade
4 août 2023 à 18 h 53
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Be bold...pick an 'underrated' goalie
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4 août 2023 à 18 h 55
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You can tell a Leafs fan made this when TJ Brodie is on the underrated list lmao.

And Max Jones? He’s properly rated lol. He’s get zero national recognition and is rarely talked about because he’s literally a 3rd - 4th liner at best. Quite literally no one is saying he’s anything more.

Edit: Didn’t realize it was Martin Jones 🤣
4 août 2023 à 18 h 57
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Fans crap on Karlsson to justify the crappy return SJ will apparently be getting back in a trade. Fact is not too many Defensemen in NHL history have scored over 100 points in a season. The strawman arguments undermining what EK65 did are embarrassing.

Not to say his injury riddled seasons aren't worth factoring in. But most fans only want to focus on that and pretend last season never happened.

If EK65 is so over rated then why would any team even want him?
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4 août 2023 à 19 h 3
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Harts been above average in terms of sv% and GAA in 4 of his 5 seasons in the NHL and 3 of those seasons the flyers defense was ranked bottom 3 in the NHL. Oh and he’s only 24, give me a break 😂 if you want to name overrated players you should name the entire Leafs team that chokes every year in the playoffs for a decade


If not for Hart, Philly likely wins the draft lottery. I thought he was outstanding last season given what was in front of him.
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Love the Miller respect,
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Quoting: DailyKarlssonFantasyLandTrades
If not for Hart, Philly likely wins the draft lottery. I thought he was outstanding last season given what was in front of him.


Yup it’s comical people say he is overrated
4 août 2023 à 19 h 5
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Wow Jt Miller under rated eh?
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Cal Foote gets so much love? He's currently a UFA. Hehe

Like his brother Nolan, Cal has cement in his skates.
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Quoting: Jets12Kozy
Wow Jt Miller under rated eh?


That's some expensive under rated pay he's getting.😁
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Lucas Raymond is 21 years old. Seriously, what's your problem? 🤔

How dare Red Wings fans be excited about a very good young player? Ok so he's not Timmy Stutzle who went 1 pick before him. Doesn't mean he's over rated.
4 août 2023 à 19 h 19
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Harts been above average in terms of sv% and GAA in 4 of his 5 seasons in the NHL and 3 of those seasons the flyers defense was ranked bottom 3 in the NHL. Oh and he’s only 24, give me a break 😂 if you want to name overrated players you should name the entire Leafs team that chokes every year in the playoffs for a decade


Please show me proof of your statement that he has been above average at gaa and sv% because I call bs.
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Be bold...pick an 'underrated' goalie


Anti raanta. Felt I had too many goalies as is.
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You can tell a Leafs fan made this when TJ Brodie is on the underrated list lmao.

And Max Jones? He’s properly rated lol. He’s get zero national recognition and is rarely talked about because he’s literally a 3rd - 4th liner at best. Quite literally no one is saying he’s anything more.

Edit: Didn’t realize it was Martin Jones 🤣


Sorry for not writing Martin lol
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Quoting: DailyKarlssonFantasyLandTrades
Fans crap on Karlsson to justify the crappy return SJ will apparently be getting back in a trade. Fact is not too many Defensemen in NHL history have scored over 100 points in a season. The strawman arguments undermining what EK65 did are embarrassing.

Not to say his injury riddled seasons aren't worth factoring in. But most fans only want to focus on that and pretend last season never happened.

If EK65 is so over rated then why would any team even want him?


I came to the Karlsson appreciation above because I DID think he was worth the moon until I looked closer. As I said I would sign him for #1 money. I'd take that gamble. But gamble on paying a lot to acquire him when he's 33 and has been ****ing incredible for one year (while being bad defensively) but just good for one and okay for the other of the last three is a risky play.
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Quoting: Jets12Kozy
Wow Jt Miller under rated eh?


Quoting: DailyKarlssonFantasyLandTrades
Cal Foote gets so much love? He's currently a UFA. Hehe

Like his brother Nolan, Cal has cement in his skates.


Quoting: DailyKarlssonFantasyLandTrades
That's some expensive under rated pay he's getting.😁


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Wow Jt Miller under rated eh?


To be clear re both Cal Foote and JT Miller (as some of you mention Foote being a Ufa and millers contract)

I'm talking about fans on here not GM's.
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Harts been above average in terms of sv% and GAA in 4 of his 5 seasons in the NHL and 3 of those seasons the flyers defense was ranked bottom 3 in the NHL. Oh and he’s only 24, give me a break 😂 if you want to name overrated players you should name the entire Leafs team that chokes every year in the playoffs for a decade


This is such a great attempt at a chirp..

did you know that in the last 11 seasons Philadelphia has the same amount of series wins as Toronto does? Also, in the same time Toronto has made the playoffs 8 times while Philadelphia has only made it 4 times - while losing in the 1st round 3 of those 4 times (in other words choking in the first round). Final point, during that same time frame, Philadelphia has 14 playoff wins, while Toronto has 18 playoffs wins.

I think it’s time you keep your anti-Leafs comments to yourself. Just because you hate them doesn’t mean they’re bad.
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To be clear re both Cal Foote and JT Miller (as some of you mention Foote being a Ufa and millers contract)

I'm talking about fans on here not GM's.


Fair enough. But I don't hear the Cal Foote love. And Roope Hintz should be on your underrated list in my opinion.
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Please show me proof of your statement that he has been above average at gaa and sv% because I call bs.


I don’t care about ur opinion and ur phone has google look it up urself and u can see it
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Harts been above average in terms of sv% and GAA in 4 of his 5 seasons in the NHL and 3 of those seasons the flyers defense was ranked bottom 3 in the NHL. Oh and he’s only 24, give me a break 😂 if you want to name overrated players you should name the entire Leafs team that chokes every year in the playoffs for a decade


K I'll check that claim for you as I don't believe you at all (that he has been above average in gaa and sv% in 4/5 seasons. I'm using 27+ gp as the cutoff as that's the number he played in his shortest season.

2018/19 14th /50 save percentage. 28th/50 gaa
2019/20 21st/48 and 7th/48 (well done dude)
2020/2021 30th/30 and 30th/30 (ie worse starting goaltender in the league essentially)
2021/2022 32nd/49 and 38th/49
2022/2023 23rd/49 and 27th/49

So he's been above average at save percentage twice and goals against average once in five seasons. How did you claim four out of 5?
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4 août 2023 à 19 h 38
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I don’t care about ur opinion and ur phone has google look it up urself and u can see it


I've done so as you can see. Care to admit you were completely incorrect?
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Quoting: DailyKarlssonFantasyLandTrades
Fair enough. But I don't hear the Cal Foote love. And Roope Hintz should be on your underrated list in my opinion.


I had many more on that list. He would be another good one
4 août 2023 à 20 h 0
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Quoting: DailyKarlssonFantasyLandTrades
Fair enough. But I don't hear the Cal Foote love. And Roope Hintz should be on your underrated list in my opinion.


No one wants to trade for Karlsson unless there's significant retention. That pretty much falls in line with what this guy is saying.

Also, if Roope Hintz is on your underrated list, then you probably just don't follow the NHL too much. It's the same thing as when everyone constantly said Barkov was underrated despite being an all-star for like 3+ years straight or smth lol. If a player is known for being underrated, then he probably isn't underrated anymore.
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4 août 2023 à 20 h 1
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No one wants to trade for Karlsson unless there's significant retention. That pretty much falls in line with what this guy is saying.

Also, if Roope Hintz is on your underrated list, then you probably just don't follow the NHL too much. It's the same thing as when everyone constantly said Barkov was underrated despite being an all-star for like 3+ years straight or smth lol. If a player is known for being underrated, then he probably isn't underrated anymore.


Horrible takes by you. Try again. Hehe
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Raymond is underrated bro
 
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