I'm sorry when did Nylander sign an extention with the first number less than 8. Also Canes can't give you that. That demolishes our defensive core.

It would barely make a dent in it. You keep Slavin and have Orlov. Skjei doesn't matter and Pesce is overrated.

Canes fans complain about leaf fans being unreasonable with their player assessments but then you suggest questionable trades like this. Nylander >>> Pesce or Skjei. Rather have Liligren then either as well - he’s younger, cheaper and cost controlled. Never in a million years do leafs make this deal. Nylander trade starts with Necas or Jarvis and Canes add from there

Necas straight up has more value than Nylander. Jarvis was untouchable for better players than Nylander. Unless Nylander is coming with Knies, both are off the table

Keep dreaming 😂; both teams can move on then

Yes, I'm the one whose dreaming...

Points
Nylander 87
Necas 71

Goals
Nylander 40
Necas 28

Age
Nylander 27
Necas 24

Expiry Status
Nylander UFA
Necas RFA

So... comparable production, Necas is younger, Necas is team controlled... Toronto add to Nylander for Necas

Id rather have Liljegren than Skjei, contracts and age considered. Id also much rather have Nylander than Pesce, 1 for 1. Not to mention this makes our cap situation even worse, that bottom 6 is pretty terrible. No thank you.

Agreed Necas will never be involved that’s too much, but you’ve got to meet somewhere in the middle between the ridiculous pesce + jarvis/necas + pick proposals we’ve all seen, and some of the proposals you’ve put forward that greatly undervalue Nylander.

Jarvis is not going to be involved unless Knies is involved. Jarvis is 21 and he's already putting up half a point per game seasons. A rental Nylander ain't fetching Jarvis. Pesce + the Canes 2nd or something, fine. But Pesce plays better with Skjei, which was the idea behind this

Like I said keep dreaming. Since when is 40 goals comparable to 28 😂? And nylander has been ppg or better past 2 years; necas has only scored 20+ goals once. Not even close in terms of who is the better player; necas contract is better but Canes can’t score & lack game breakers. Willy gives you that but it don’t come cheap - Necas or Jarvis and then add. Or not 🤷🏻

Dude i agree with you on the Jarvis/Necas front. Less so on Jarvis if Willy comes with an extension but I at least understand the angle. For a 40g+, 85pt+ forward, especially if he comes extended, that would be a top 1 or 2 F on the Canes, Pesce + 1st is the ballpark we’re talking, with probably a little sweetener for toronto as well

Pesce + for nylander ? That is weak man, come on. That’s equivalent to Brodie+ for Aho… nylander instantly becomes their most dangerous offensive player (no one has scored 40 goals on the canes in … forever)

Might be a fair deal but still would think Leafs would say no. I know everyone hates the Leafs Dmen, but geez the Leafs and Canes have near identical and offensive numbers last season The age of problem is what to do with Murray though.

In the season covid cut short, Aho was on pace for 45... but go off

My bad, someone might have, maybe, almost scored 40 goals for the Canes 🙄. Point is still valid, Nylander fits the exact bill of what your team needs (imo), and that won’t (& shouldn’t) come cheap . Pesce or Skjei + for nylander would be a catastrophically bad trade for Leafs; no chance - imo- Tre would ever consider it

ANA passes easily. We’ll take a 1st and send back an early 3rd or he’s a buyout for you

Pesce and Skeji do some of the hardest defensive assignments in the game and they have been arguably our best pair so they aren't overrated that trade makes no sence for the canes its too much for them. They are a huge part of our system, value is a bit off (for Carolina) but it simply makes no sence on the canes side.

Except Pesce is bigger stronger better younger and right shot vs brodie. And its just not that simple with the cap the way it has been and Nylander’s ask as high as it is contract wise. Pesce + 1st + maybe a sweetener and id be ok with it

Pesce is not better than Brodie, he is younger and bigger but he’s far from physical. Again Nylander >> Pesce, and this late into FA - you can’t replace Willy’s offense so why would you move him 🤷🏻? Let him walk at year end if need be, but my guess is he wants to stay so lots of time to work out a deal. Trade Murray and we’re good to go

Slavin is by far your best defenceman, no one on your team comes close. No one

Actually no, we’re still over the cap if we deal only Murray. Agree if we trade Nylander for a D we cant be done, the “+” part of that package needs to be used to bring in offence. And just because Pesce doesnt hit a ton does not mean that his size isnt a major asset when trying to clear bigger players out from the net front (which Leafs have had a hard time replacing from Muzzin) and etc. And I’m sorry but he is better than Brodie and on the right side of the age curve, you can’t tell me Brodie is better that’s just major homer activity

Check your cap structure. More than 6 million over

First, if we trade (or LTIR, not that this is likely) Murray, then we are 100% cap compliant. Does mandate a 20 man lineup which is far from ideal, but it’s workable.
Second, pretty sure you are not one of those Leaf fans that hate on all the Leaf players so I’ll give you benefit of the doubt. Brodie is absolutely better defensively than Pesce (very few dmen better than Brodie in fact); Pesce may be better all around but it’s marginal improvement at best. Age not a factor since they are both pending FAs, if Pesce was coming in with term on a reasonable aav - different story.
Keep Willy unless we get an offer we can’t refuse & Pesce + is an offer that is really easy to turn down imo.

Plus, considering we have a Reilly & Klingberg - 2 very gifted offensive dmen with defensive liabilities - pairing one of them with Brodie makes perfect sense imo.