Capfriendly, where a 33 year old guy making 11.5 million for several more seasons is worth more than a 26 year old Selke finalist 100 point winger. Yup that makes sense

Woeful, but I think you already knew that but posted this drivel anyway 👏

Hard pass for Anaheim who just shave Dostal that contract

We have a goalie that could be moved but it isn’t Dostal and the guy who it is has already said no to Toronto so

Canucks aren’t trading a 2nd for a 4th liner and a #6/7 dman

In what world is Liljegren, Robertson, a 1st, and a 3rd a better return than Wright, Larsson, and a 1st?

Seattle’s 1st is likely > Toronto’s 1st
Wright >>> Liljegren, Robertson, and the 3rd
Then Larsson on top of that

Capfriendly, where Timothy Liljegren is worth more then Shane Wright

Seattle doesn't even pick up. Trade would make them a worse team. Does nothing to improve them. They have plenty of scoring (Outscored Toronto) and Larrson is a key cog on the defense.

Larsson isn't very good and Wright has proven nothing. However, Karlsson at full price is about the riskiest investment one can make. And the return for Marner isn't close.

He isn't but what's Wright worth? He hasn't proven **** yet. Liljegren is good

Larsson is a good top 4 dman. He’d be the Leafs best RHD (unless they get Karlsson), and arguably their best dman overall. Wright is one of the best prospects in hockey. He alone is probably worth more than the package the Leafs are giving up for Karlsson here. When you add in Larsson and the 1st it’s easily a far better package than what the Leafs are giving to SJ. And the Leafs aren’t trading for Karlsson full price, there’s 3M retention (he is still a risky investment though I agree)

Bedard hasn't proven anything. Clearly Nicholas Robertson >>>>

No he wouldn't be, Brodie is better. Larsson isn't all that good. He never has the puck which is why he hits a lot and blocks a lot of shots but absolutely kills you possession wise. He's not bad to have on your team but he's really not what he's billed as.

Wright dropped from 1st overall for a reason and couldn't make the squad yet. He's overrated and absolutely could fizzle out.

Every single prospect has potential to fizzle out. 4th overall is still no joke. And just because he couldn't stick in the NHL in the first year, he is suddenly overrated? Literally nobody from his draft class has played in the NHL yet. The only one is Slafkovsky who was terrible. Go tell Habs fans that their recent 1st overall pick is overrated and absolutely could fizzle out

He was drafted 4th a singular year ago. Did you say the same thing about Marner when he didn't immediately join the NHL?

It was a very weak class.

Wright falling to 4th in a weak draft is a lot different than Marner being taken 4th in one of the deepest drafts in the past decade.

Right but that doesn't matter. Saying he is overrated and could fizzle out because he didn't immediately make the NHL makes no sense. Most top players in the NHL took 1 or 2 years after their draft to make the NHL... What is your justification for saying this? It is a terrible argument.

You're right. I'd imagine the 4th overall in one of the deepest drafts in the past decade would surely be able to make an immediate impact the year he was drafted. Wait...

Marner isn't going anywhere. Bruce Boudreau when talking about the leafs and the big4 said Marner is the best player of them all. This guy is one of the top 3 RW in the league and possibly the best 2-way winger in the league. This kind of skill is hard to find, Marchand would be the last guy to be in that conversation and he has only one 100 point season.

Every 4th overall pick from 2010-2021. Ryan Johansen, Adam Larsson, Griffen Reinhart, Seth Jones, Sam Bennett, Mitch Marner, Jesse Puljurarvi, Cale Makar, Brady Tkachuk, Bowen Byram, Lucas Raymond, Luke Hughes.

Out of those 12 players, there are 2 that are/were less valuable then Liljegren (Reinhart and Puljurarvi) The other 10? All more valuable (at least at their prime) if you think Timothy Liljegren is worth more then Shane Wright you're insane

It's the fact that he slid down, in a weak draft class and hasn't overly impressed since. I don't like his attitude either. Wright's not going to be what people think he's going to be.

Look we both know you hate the Leafs. So anything you say in regards to Liljegren is going to be just nonsensical.

That was a Babcock choice. They didn't even give Marner a chance. But as we have discovered, everything you say is going to A) be heavily bias towards the Canucks B) even more heavily biased against the Leafs and C) you make up nonsense rationalizations to make your arguments make sense. Unfortunately it's always bogus and impossible to discuss.

Draft is unpredictable. Yeah sure maybe his attitude is a problem, but that doesn't make him suddenly overrated and destined to fizzle out. The fact that he was consensus ranked #1 tells you enough of how good he is