That's a massive price to get Karlsson. I wouldn't do that if I'm Dubas.

I don’t see them dealing a first rounder to be rid of Petry. I think they’ll walk away from the Karlsson deal before they do that, and rightfully so.

I don't think more picks is the way to go here. I think including the likes of Blomqvist (goalie prospect SJS could use), Poulin (mid forward prospect), POJ/Smith (One of them is a causality here the other one is 3rd pair LHD), and the picks listed could do the trick. Then sending one of the goalies down and signing of O'Connor and I think that would cover it

Also don't think a 1st is needed to get rid of Petry if he waives I think a 3rd would be fine

So San Jose has two options here:

Pay Karlsson $11.5 million per year or pay Mikael Granlund $8.5 million per year and get a couple of picks to boot.

The first one seems a lot better.

Hawks say yes....but can't see the Sharks doing anything like that. Granlund is easily a 2nd to dump and a 1st for EK with that much retention (14 million) won't happen. Granlund might be a way to have San jose not retain as much by taking him back instead, but this is masssive retention and taking a ****ty contract back.

Sharks don't "want to make a deal," they'd like to make a deal if it gives them sufficient future benefits to justify giving up Erik Karlsson. There's a subtle but definitive difference between the two motivations. But the entire Karlsson situation has been the usual victim of "info creep": what has gone from Mike Grier acknowledging that it might be in San Jose's interest to trade him now, and Erik Karlsson's acknowledgment that he might be open to being traded to a destination of his approval, has morphed into a perception that Karlsson has "demanded" a trade and that the Sharks have now got to trade him.

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You're either very poor at math, or very disingenuous. The option would be pay Karlsson $39m in his salary over the next four years of rebuilding AND getting zero useful asset for the rebuild. OR pay Granlund and salary retention on Karlsson for $22m over four years of rebuilding and get useful futures to help in the rebuild. Only missed that minor $17m cost difference for ownership. Might be a bit of a relevant factor for Grier on that.

I agree the Hawks would do this. I'm unsure the Hawks accept anything less than a first-rounder from PIT to assume Petry's cash layout (which matches his $6.25mm/yr) for two years. Even assuming they'd buy out Zaitsev to help with the math, that's still upwards of $10mm in cash over two years for a player who'll be long gone by the time the Hawks are relevant again. Unless the Penguins are willing to discuss including Yager to the Hawks to make it work, I have a hard time seeing it happen for less than a first round pick. And if I'm PIT, there's NO WAY I part with Yager.

The Hawks have the space AND are indeed closer to Ann Arbor (I think? Still 250 miles.). Gonna take some magic from SJS and PIT to make it work.... May not be possible.

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Why is THAT assumption suddenly part of the equation?!?!? You think that this is the ONLY opportunity San Jose will have to get a first, a second and a cap dump for Erik Karlsson?

Chicago is one of the teams that worries less about cash than cap. Huge market, they’re very profitable and will continue to sell loads of tickets now with Bedard in the fold. Fit does matter, but a guy like Bedard accelerates a rebuild. At any rate, Chicago isn’t going to volunteer to take Petry, that much is certain. I just wouldn’t deal a first for it. If my only choices were deal a first to dump Petry or walk away from Karlsson, I’m walking away, especially considering they’ll have to deal another first to get EK.

Karlsson has had ONE good season in the last four. If his next season is anything like 2020, 21, 22 then they are getting a Burns-like return for him at best.

Karlsson is a Norris trophy winner and 33 years old with 4 years remaining on his contract. 1 year ago nobody would touch Karlsson even with retention. The value will never be higher than what it is now. San jose is a small market who doesnt generate much money now that they are in a rebuild. Keeping Karlsson doesnt make sense for what Sharks want to do. They want to tank and save as much money as possible. Every GM knows this and maybe thats why Grier havent dealt him yet.

Exacerbated by the fact that GMs know Karlsson can entirely dictate if and where he is traded to.

My point exactly. That's why he's not going for a first, a second, and a cap dump.

How serious are PIT really? Do they want to go for it while Sid(36), Geno (36) and Letang (36) are still playing or no? If you hold on to Petry, you waste 1 or 2 years. Hawks would do PIT a favour for taking a 1st for Petry. Im not even sure if PIT makes the playoffs with the current roster. I thought they were going all in to win the cup, not for making the playoffs and be happy

I'm talking about the cap hits. Karlsson has four years left at $11.5 million, which equals a $46 million cap hit. Granlund makes $5 million for the next two years, plus the $3.5 retention, equals paying Granlund $8.5 million for the next two years.

Granlund or Carter is worth a 1st to dump. Petry is a plenty capable player. Much better cap value than Bailey. Probably about a million overpaid but a capable 2RD and paired very effectively with Pettersson.

Cap hits is a pointless comparison. Particularly when only accounting for two instead of four years. SJ Ownership wants lower expenses while rebuilding and future assets to expedite the rebuild.

I can’t answer how serious they are, I’ve not been invited to the meetings.

I’d buyout Granny before dealing a first to move him.

Cap hits are all that matters from a hockey perspective.

Grandund is a cap dump. the 2nd is just to dump him. you are not paying for the player or retention. You do realize overpay Dubas is your GM