Sharks do that.

Gonna have to up that 2nd to a 1st. Hawks have said they're done taking on cap dumps unless teams are willing to pay a premium.

The premium is the 2nd

Don't think he's worth a 1st to dump, he's a net positive against Chicago's existing bottom 6 and the cap space is negligible when they have 17M to spare

The buyout would also only be 6M over four years if Chicago wants to go that road, which in my opinion = a 2nd, not a 1st

Also they can in theory flip him for even more value

On point. Don't understand where the "every cap dump is now going to cost a first" is coming from...Most GMs gladly take a second.

It cost NYI a 2nd to dump Bailey and his buyout. Granlund is twice that. So a 2nd doesn't cut it. And the Hawks don't need another goalie.

Granlund is better than Bailey, don't even really think Chicago would buy him out.....

Soderblom has not looked ready for the big leagues, should start in the A

The thing is the team is pretty much set for the season. Those are the words of Kyle from Chicago, not me. We don't need Granlund to get to the floor. We are there with plenty of overage. We don't need Granlund, we don't need DeSmith. You want to dump salary then you are gonna have to pay for it. 2 years $5M AAV ($11m actual cash) is gonna cost more than a 2nd and a goalie that we don't need. It's pretty simple.

We can disagree, and GMs aren't always truthful

Simple logic says if you have the chance to make your team better/deeper and get paid for the privilege you would

Especially if those assets can be flipped deadline time for even more value

Sure we can disagree, but I don't see the logic in a rebuilding team filling their roster with veterans leaving no play for young players and prospects to get opportunities. The simple logic here is there is a cost to move the amount of money Granlund will be paid, and that cost is more than a 2nd round pick. Supply and demand. You have supply, but there is no demand from the Hawks at this point.

The counter would be that the Hawks actually have the supply in the form of cap space, but the demand is just not that high at this point

Why would the Pens pay a 1st to dump a player they can buyout at a minimal cost?

I think the addition of a player like Hall goes against your narrative, Chicago clearly doesn't want to be vying for the first pick again

They could also retain & move Granlund, they don't have to keep him if prospects are knocking at the door (but they do not seem to be)

Just think it makes sense for both sides

We'll agree to disagree then... Monahan 6 million dump was a 1st. Granlund will cost more than a mid to late 2nd to dump as he is 2 years and ELEVEN million in salary. DeSmith to a team with 4 goalies under contract for the NHL/Ahl spots with a GM that has publically stated he is happy with what he has for goaltending is absolutely a dump too. DeSmith may be a positive asset to someone, but he is not to the Hawks.

No. The 2nd is the standard, if not a discount. A 1st is a premium.

This doesn't go against my narrative of "I don't see the logic in a rebuilding team filling their roster with veterans leaving no play for young players and prospects to get opportunities". They added a couple veterans Hall, Foligno, Perry. There is not room to add more. Buy him out or trade him elsewhere for that price.

A conditional 2025 1st =/= a 2024 1st

Not to mention the differences between Calgary and Pittsburgh’s situations with the cap and respective players

It’s ok if you don’t want Granlund, we don’t have to nitpick on the value between a 1st and 2nd, it’s not that deep

Just kind of seems like a no brainer for Chicago to weaponize their cap

Yeah, no

But we can agree to disagree

“No room to add more”

You may want to reexamine that bottom 6, Granlund had a significantly more productive season than “additions” like Foligno and Perry

You can just say you don’t want him on your favorite team, it’s ok, we don’t have to go back and forth on it to as though there’s an issue there on value

If you don't think the Hawks have weaponized cap space, I don't know what to tell you. In a little over a calandar year, they have bought a 2nd for 2.33 (Bailey buyout), a 2nd & 4th to take Zaitsev, upgraded a 2nd to a 1st by taking Mrazek, gained a 2nd taking Dickinson, and used retention (at least in part) to get a 1st and 4 2nds in deal involving Kane, Domi, Fleury, & McCabe.

I think you are mistaking not giving away cap at less than market value with not weaponizing cap. I'll predict Hawks will get good/fair value on a cap dump before the season starts and use cap space at the TDL to gain an asset. Basic economics of supply and demand with few teams that can (or will) take cap and way more that need (or at the least want) to shed.

Yeah, no... we can't just agree to disagree. Just look through the trade history at the cap dumps CHI has taken on. A 2nd WAS the going rate for dumps smaller than Granlund, but now our roster is full and we are over the cap and our GM has openly said they are essentially closed for business unless teams are willing to pay a premium to offload a contract. And then you add DeSmith on top of that, who plays a position that our GM has yet again said he is not looking to add at all. Which means teams will now have to pay MORE than the standard rate of a 2nd to get CHI to take on their dead weight. There is no room to disagree, it's just the truth.