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Forum: Armchair-GM20 mars à 13 h 35

Sujet: Pens

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jfkst1</b></div><div>Hayes has three years at $3.5m. Saad has three years at $4.5m. Smith has one year at $5m. Acciari two years at $2m. The marginal on ice benefit does not come close to the cap structure implications.</div></div>

Hayes and Saad both are signed through 2026, two years

Pens basically extend Smith by a year here (Saad) and that's it, Hayes and Acciari have the same term

...and Hayes and Saad are younger, so less age related risk

Forum: Armchair-GM20 mars à 13 h 33

Sujet: Pens

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jfkst1</b></div><div>Yes, swapping similar risk. This is way more risk to PIT for very minimal upside. Or cap construction roster management 101.</div></div>

I don't see those two as any more risk than keeping Acciari and Smith, who they already know don't fit

Forum: Armchair-GM20 mars à 13 h 32

Sujet: Pens

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>I'd definitely not be mad at this, but I'd rather just swap Hayes for Cookie, bump Torp up to 3rd and either drop Schenn to 3C or get a stopgap middle 6 C.</div></div>

Would be interested in Hayes for Cookie too

Forum: Armchair-GM20 mars à 13 h 31

Sujet: Pens

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jfkst1</b></div><div>Maybe to fans that think of cap hit as monopoly money. Dubas is taking on 6 years and $24m for two 3rd line players while giving up three years and $9m on a 3rd liner and 4th liner. If he wants to get fired, this would be a good start. It makes little to no difference on the roster and massive difference on the balance sheet. Which is almost a guaranteed bad decision in the cap era of roster management.</div></div>

6 years?

Forum: Armchair-GM20 mars à 13 h 30

Sujet: Pens

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jfkst1</b></div><div>Dubas rejects and asks why he is assuming such great risk without much immediate upside gain?</div></div>

Swapping players for better fits is how they won under GMJR

Forum: Armchair-GM20 mars à 13 h 29

Sujet: Pens

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AC14</b></div><div>I don't really know if that helps the Blues at all or not. Our 4th line of Walker - Sunny - Toropchenko has been pretty good. I guess if we felt Toropchenko needed moved up to the 3rd line it could work. I get that the idea is to cut bait on some term on the contracts. Hayes has been fine, Saad is what he is. Very streaky, but will get to 20 goals and 40 points or so. I have no reason to care to keep either player that the Blues would move here, but i don't really see where the two returning would fit either too much.</div></div>

Pens get slightly better players, Blues get cap sooner is how I see it

Pens' best chance of being competitive is finding better fits for similar players

Blues could probably dump those two easier than Saad and Hayes given NTCs

Forum: Armchair-GM2 févr. à 16 h 20

Sujet: Goat mode enabled

Awfully light for Guentzel... he's better than Lindholm

Forum: Armchair-GM14 déc. 2023 à 14 h 5

Sujet: Hayes

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pens3lieve</b></div><div>so many better option for depth in the bottom-6 than a slow guy we don't need taking up $3M+ on the cap for 3 more years... acquiring him would be worse than the Jeff Carter extension everybody is still mad about...
and besides, eller has been fine as a 3C...</div></div>

Acciari is 2M on the cap for 3 more years and he's older and less productive

Eller would be even better as a 4C

Carter was 5 years older when acquired

Forum: Armchair-GM14 déc. 2023 à 14 h 3

Sujet: Hayes

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vbolshakov</b></div><div>- 3C upgrade is a great option for a contender. Pens should face the truth that a Wild Card spot is a maximum we can get. And we should start thinking about the future (aka rebuilding).
- 3C gets 40+ points only by playing PP. Pens are the most disappointing with PP this year. Slow Hayes can take a spot in front of goalies but will not help much.
- Blues paid 7th to take Hayes with 50% retention after his 50+ points season. You offer a way too much.
- Hayes is a good player but he is not known to be a leader, he will not improve the team's morale and motivation.</div></div>

Pens aren't rebuilding and have more than enough leadership

Forum: Armchair-GM13 déc. 2023 à 18 h 3

Sujet: Hayes

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vbolshakov</b></div><div>Overpaid a lot! In current situation Pens should keep all their peaks.
And what will this change bring? What do you want to improve?</div></div>

3C upgrade... is Hayes that bad now? Looks like he's on a 40ish point pace

Forum: Armchair-GM9 nov. 2023 à 14 h 51

Sujet: Swaps

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>That's fine, but it still wouldn't happen. Third team or not.

Carter has no desire to go back to Philly, there was a ton of fallout from that offseason trade moving on from both he and Richards. If anything I bet he'd rather retire a King.

He wouldn't waive because he wants to stay on a team that's gunning for a Stanley Cup push, it's his final season.

Smith at this point isn't worth anything. They tried to trade him and even waived him and no one took him... that tells you all you need to know about his value.</div></div>

Weirdly confident on the first point, no one knows what will happen, the world is a mystery

That was 10+ years ago? Are you his therapist?

You don't get your name on the cup if you don't play... I imagine he wants to play. He already has his cups

Smith has value <em>because</em> he's cleared waivers.... so he doesn't have to go back through to develop in Philly's system... he also has the same stat line as Frost this season...

Forum: Armchair-GM9 nov. 2023 à 14 h 37

Sujet: Swaps

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>no issues with the OTT deal thats fine.

The Flyers deal is the troll post.

You know they wouldn't trade with the penguins let alone give Frost away for basically nothing. Plus you also know Carter isn't waiving to go anywhere, specially not back to Philly lol</div></div>

Pretend there's a third team like the Streit deal (but there are new front office folks on both sides, who cares)

Carter and Frost have a near identical stat line this year, and a 2nd + Smith is not 'nothing'

Why would Carter not waive? He played with Briere, could retire a Flyer, and the whole thing with him coming to Pittsburgh was proximity to family in central PA

Forum: Armchair-GM9 nov. 2023 à 14 h 30

Sujet: Swaps

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>This is a troll post right?</div></div>

This is a strange way of saying you think that the value is off when others have been fine with it

Forum: Armchair-GM9 nov. 2023 à 14 h 29

Sujet: Swaps

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BackstromIsTheGoat</b></div><div>i doubt carter waives him NMC to go to the other side of pennsylvania</div></div>

I think he would

Forum: Armchair-GM9 nov. 2023 à 13 h 14

Sujet: Swaps

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sens65</b></div><div>I'd probably do that. We'll need a bit of cap space for when Pinto comes back plus having the Joseph brothers would be cool.</div></div>

Thought it would be a nice reward for his brother having a solid start, and change of scenery for both

Forum: Armchair-GM9 nov. 2023 à 13 h 13

Sujet: Swaps

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>lowblocksniper</b></div><div>I think it would cost a 3rd to move Carter's contract

Frost is off to a bad start but, at 24 and after last season I'd think he's worth a little more than what you're offering, maybe an additional 4th. Not a big difference but, that trade looked like one of those so close but, for far situations</div></div>

I'd be fine with that

Forum: Armchair-GM19 oct. 2023 à 14 h 51

Sujet: Frost

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>It’s wildly off. Centers alone are more valuable Frost is a 2C that Torts is trying to turn from just a producer to an all around center. Hes just trying to prove point to him. JOP isn’t a 3 or a 4 like I said we have 7-8 options better than him on the left side. Even if he is a 4, a 2C is extremely more valuable lmao.</div></div>

Frost is a 3C at best ? No idea where 2C is coming from

Forum: Armchair-GM19 oct. 2023 à 14 h 7

Sujet: Frost

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>He’s a healthy scratch cause Torts is trying to prove a point to him that he wants him to play a more all around game. I could make you 5 of our forwards at minimum that have played worse than him this year but haven’t gotten sat because he expects more out of Frost. Also if you think a Center is worth the same as a depth defenseman you don’t know what you’re talking about lol. Centers are always valued higher than anyone other than maybe RHD.</div></div>

POJ is a closer to a 3/4 than a 'depth defenseman'

I don't think the value is really that off

Forum: Armchair-GM19 oct. 2023 à 13 h 46

Sujet: Frost

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>you realize flyers pens are never trading right?</div></div>

Correct, imagine a third team involved a la Streit

Forum: Armchair-GM19 oct. 2023 à 13 h 46

Sujet: Frost

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>😂😂😂😂😂 holy man you’re like a 1st and 2nd short minimum. Torts may not like Frost but we was literally one of the bets 5v5 forwards in the league last season analytically post all-star break. POJ is barley an NHL player and we have probably 7 options better than him currently.</div></div>

He's a healthy scratch........ how is he more of an NHL player than POJ?

Flyers are regularly icing Marc Staal

Forum: Armchair-GM19 oct. 2023 à 11 h 1

Sujet: Hayes

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>The flyers retained 50% and sent you Hayes for a 6th rounder, time to wake up.

A 2nd alone gets that done, might even be too much honestly. Hayes isn't exactly a world beater.</div></div>

Not completely fair, that was a wildly different situation

Forum: Armchair-GM19 oct. 2023 à 10 h 43

Sujet: Hayes

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>The Blues aren't retaining that much. Not for that anyway.</div></div>

What would be the genuine ask on a half retained Hayes? Got moved for a 6th this offseason but obviously worth more at 1.8M than 3.7M

Thought that package value was decent, 2nd round value (POJ) for player, 2nd round pick for retention

Forum: Armchair-GM18 août 2023 à 16 h 44

Sujet: Dubas

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JAKE6</b></div><div>similar perfomance? he had 5 pts x 2 the games played. stop, he seems like a decent extra dmen, but they arent close value wise.</div></div>

Ignoring that you’re looking at a small sample size… Ruhwedel is more consistent/healthy/defensively talented. Both are 6/7s at this point and one costs less, with less term on his deal for added flexibility

Especially see it as fair value given that it appears Timmins will be lost on waivers if not moved

Forum: Armchair-GM18 août 2023 à 16 h 33

Sujet: Dubas

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JAKE6</b></div><div>trading for players to send them down, great move</div></div>

Really questioning the reading comprehension here

Could keep Ruhwedel as a #7 and save 300K with similar performance.......... don't even love this move from Pittsburgh's POV but think Dubas likes Timmins more

Forum: Armchair-GM18 août 2023 à 16 h 30

Sujet: Dubas

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JAKE6</b></div><div>and they are moving him to get cap compliant. ur trade doesnt even help us in that aspect, with bad value</div></div>

Ruhwedel saves 300K? Either player can be buried?

Bad value tells me you know absolutely nothing about Ruhwedel and/or are overrating Timmins

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