As long as Nylander has a 9.25x7 contact in place CAR does it in a heartbeat

Nylander >> Pesce; no chance Leafs do this 😂. 40 goal, ppg wingers in their prime are worth a lot more than 2nd pairing defenders (that don’t contribute on offense). 🤦🏻

We will see, but I highly doubt Nylander gets traded

Agreed - doubtful he is traded. But no excuse for posting robberies of Leafs (masqueraded as trades) other than you are a habs fan 😂, so fair play

I think you Leafs fans overvalue Nylander value tho

Analytics seems to think that Pesce is a top-pairing defenseman and he puts up average offense for a defender... The trade is a little light but it isn't that bad... Pesce and a first is probably about market value

Par for the course, there’s not one single player on the habs current or future roster that scared me yet they are supposed to be an up and coming force 🤔. Maybe it’s bias, but I don’t see it

He isn't trash and that is overrating him according to you guys

Brodie puts up better defensive numbers and is close on offense. Is he + 1st worth Aho? Your homerism is showing again but 🤷🏻

Whoever said they are supposed to be an up coming force have no hockey knowledge, they have 3 top 6 players with Newhook having the potential
MTL are YEARS away, only the defense could be solid if Hutson Reinbacher & Mailloux hits their potential

You guys don't overvalue him from his play, you are over valuying is trade value

Aho is a much better defensive player than Nylander and is a very very good defensive forward while consistently plotting 35+ goals with much less talent around him than Nylander. TJ Brodie is also 33 and due for a sharp decline in production given his age which doesn't make him nearly as valuable as Pesce.

Leafs fans only look at regular season points to base their value on a player

I mean that goes for a lot of fan bases.

I know, I was just kidding

Flames pass. Goes against the whole "more youth" thing and I would rather see what Ruzicka turns into

I’ll grant that aho > nylander, but you can’t have it both ways. If Leafs have higher end offensive talent (helps Willy put up numbers), then you should acknowledge canes play that boring style (helps aho defensively) . Either way Willy would be highest scorer on your team - imo, he is the one thing canes lack (game breaker) and why you have disappointed every year in playoffs. Hard to find players like Willy. Pesce doesn’t address our greatest need, easy to find like replacements and in this example his age is irrelevant- his value (relative to contract) drops substantially because he is a pending FA and will demand big raise. Nylander >> Pesce; any trade for Willy has to start with necas or Jarvis or leafs just move on

I think we can all agree on that last part - let’s just move on. Understand that’s what you guys want and why, but it’s not likely that canes do that.

Why would a team trade a young top 6 player for about to be UFA Nylander + he will command 9M+ ?

I totally agree that a return in a fair world would start with Necas or Jarvis (More top-six type forwards who are going to demand $6m plus isn't what you need) but I don't think that what's the Leafs really need... Given your depth chart, it seems that you need a 1RD in the medium to long-term future and I think that Pesce could definitely fit that mold and would also give you a right-shot defenseman

Agree to disagree. We scored 6 goals vs Panthers (5 games). Plus Pesce (or equivalent) could be signed as FA next year.

Teams do it all the time… because Nylander > Necas or Jarvis and fits the competitive window better. Same reason why nylander won’t be traded imo - he is best player in trade and fits leafs window (now) better. But using your own logic - the trade you proposed above also makes no sense - why would leafs trade 40 goal scorer (pending ufa) for 2nd pairing dman (pending ufa) + pick? It clearly makes them a worse team in short term

STOP the Nylander trade give him the money is asking amd watch him only show up when he wants. He is a superstar you cant trade players like him.

Sure you can... Matthew Tkachuk and Wayne Gretzky beg to differ

IMO Leafs need to upgrade their back end to be a better team
They got beat by the Habs in 2021 when they only had 4 defenseman
4 big defenseman + Price > the leafs lol