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Guhle for Dubois

Créé par: jonh514
Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 23 juin 2023
Publié: 23 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Many Habs fans will hate this, but we are stacked at LHD, and as they say you need to give value to get value.

Our 2023 LHD could be:

Matheson
Harris
Xhekaj
Eddy

2024 LHD could be:

Matheson
Harris
Xhekaj
Hutson
Engstrom

Trading Guhle for Dubois is expensive, but it might be the right move
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
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88 000 000 $
31 750 000 $
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MTL
  1. DeMelo, Dylan
  2. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
The mythical "hockey trade"
WPG
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Guhle, Kaiden
Détails additionnels:
Guhle for Dubois
Dvorak for DeMelo
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23 juin 2023 à 10 h 37
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Ya no
23 juin 2023 à 10 h 38
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PLD isn't going to Montreal to make more than their franchise captain, nor is Hughes moving Guhle for an overrated 2C
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23 juin 2023 à 10 h 38
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Guhle is alright, but isn't a need for Winnipeg as an LHD and dumping Dvorak hurts that value for Montreal. Montreal is better off keeping Guhle.

I'd imagine the Jets trade PLD to fill team needs, not to clog up their position of greatest depth more. They definitely wouldn't be adding DeMelo to take back a bad contract.
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23 juin 2023 à 10 h 47
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Quoting: Ennis
PLD isn't going to Montreal to make more than their franchise captain, nor is Hughes moving Guhle for an overrated 2C


If you consider percentage of cap when the deal was signed, I'm not sure this is technically more. You are buying up UFA years, and they are simply more expensive.

As for Guhle, he's a good young player, but then so is Dubois. If you project 1-2 years out... Who is your #1 LHD? Hutson is the guy most fans are pinning their hopes on. Do you project Guhle to be better than Hutson? Are you moving Matheson?

Having good players and Maximizing the value of those players is critical. This trade is really not dissimilar to Dach for Romanov, except that both Dubois and Guhle are better than Dach and Romanov were at the time they were traded.
23 juin 2023 à 10 h 48
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Quoting: Windjammer
Guhle is alright, but isn't a need for Winnipeg as an LHD and dumping Dvorak hurts that value for Montreal. Montreal is better off keeping Guhle.

I'd imagine the Jets trade PLD to fill team needs, not to clog up their position of greatest depth more. They definitely wouldn't be adding DeMelo to take back a bad contract.


I hear you Windjammer, but what are you gonna do. Habs and Jets have the same organizational strengths and weaknesses. We can't trade you the players we do have without opening holes. We can't trade you the players we don't have, and your GM does not want picks.
23 juin 2023 à 10 h 50
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I hear you Windjammer, but what are you gonna do. Habs and Jets have the same organizational strengths and weaknesses. We can't trade you the players we do have without opening holes. We can't trade you the players we don't have, and your GM does not want picks.


You've outlined exactly why PLD likely won't be traded to Montreal. The Jets can get a more suitable package elsewhere.
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Quoting: Windjammer
You've outlined exactly why PLD likely won't be traded to Montreal. The Jets can get a more suitable package elsewhere.


More power to them if they can, but I doubt it.

What the heck is he doing hanging out with Suzuki, Caufield, Savard and Subban galavanting around Montreal anyway. He's really making it hard on your GM to trade him anywhere else.
23 juin 2023 à 10 h 55
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More power to them if they can, but I doubt it.

What the heck is he doing hanging out with Suzuki, Caufield, Savard and Subban galavanting around Montreal anyway. He's really making it hard on your GM to trade him anywhere else.


You realize he lives in Montreal in the off season right? He was also hanging out with Zegras, does that mean he's going to Anaheim?

You really need to stop believing everything you read from Montreal beat reporters as gospel.
23 juin 2023 à 10 h 58
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You realize he lives in Montreal in the off season right? He was also hanging out with Zegras, does that mean he's going to Anaheim?

You really need to stop believing everything you read from Montreal beat reporters as gospel.


And with Jack Hughes, Subban…he is going to Jersey!
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23 juin 2023 à 11 h 2
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Guhle is going to be fantastic, but this would leave Winnipeg with one RSD in their top 6, so it would be a no.
23 juin 2023 à 11 h 3
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
And with Jack Hughes, Subban…he is going to Jersey!


Some Montreal fans have really been scrambling for something to support their fantasy since it came out that PLD is willing to go to other teams than Montreal.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Some Montreal fans have really been scrambling for something to support their fantasy since it came out that PLD is willing to go to other teams than Montreal.


Some Winnipeg fans really been living rent rent free on CapFriendly expecting to get a massive package for an overrated diva.
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Some Montreal fans have really been scrambling for something to support their fantasy since it came out that PLD is willing to go to other teams than Montreal.


Good time to remind people that the Devils Assistant GM, captain, 1C, 1LD, 1LW and rookie goalie all speak French. (Tatar too, but he is probably leaving).
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Good time to remind people that the Devils Assistant GM, captain, 1C, 1LD, 1LW and rookie goalie all speak French. (Tatar too, but he is probably leaving).


Only another week of this and then the saga should be over.
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4th d and 3rd line center for 1st line center and top pair d, seems like a good hockey trade
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Quoting: Ennis
PLD isn't going to Montreal to make more than their franchise captain, nor is Hughes moving Guhle for an overrated 2C


Chevy isn't moving PLD for a vastly overrated 2nd pairing d man (and personally I wouldn't move the extremely underrated top DFD Demelo for vastly overrated Dvorak)
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Chevy isn't moving PLD for a vastly overrated 2nd pairing d man (and personally I wouldn't move the extremely underrated top DFD Demelo for vastly overrated Dvorak)


PLD you are a Guandong Tiger! Ni Hao!
23 juin 2023 à 11 h 43
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Quoting: jonh514
If you consider percentage of cap when the deal was signed, I'm not sure this is technically more. You are buying up UFA years, and they are simply more expensive.

As for Guhle, he's a good young player, but then so is Dubois. If you project 1-2 years out... Who is your #1 LHD? Hutson is the guy most fans are pinning their hopes on. Do you project Guhle to be better than Hutson? Are you moving Matheson?

Having good players and Maximizing the value of those players is critical. This trade is really not dissimilar to Dach for Romanov, except that both Dubois and Guhle are better than Dach and Romanov were at the time they were traded.


Projecting 2 years out is a mistake, Hutson may be the Habs 1LD then (I seriously doubt he will be more than a 2nd pairing D since he wont be put out against the likes of McDavid and Matthews to get ran over every shift) but he could also be another Mete. Guhle is a known commodity and one who brings size, skating and a well rounded defensive game. He may never put up the offensive numbers that Hutson could but 40-50 points isn't out of the question either. For me he is the Habs future 1LD, he is kind of a cross between Weber and Petry and both of them were 1 D men. Better off to trade futures or Engstrom over Guhle. If you are insistent on moving Guhle send him somewhere in need of a top 4 LHD and get an equally good young top 4 RHD back, then use Barron to trade for Dubois.
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Projecting 2 years out is a mistake, Hutson may be the Habs 1LD then (I seriously doubt he will be more than a 2nd pairing D since he wont be put out against the likes of McDavid and Matthews to get ran over every shift) but he could also be another Mete. Guhle is a known commodity and one who brings size, skating and a well rounded defensive game. He may never put up the offensive numbers that Hutson could but 40-50 points isn't out of the question either. For me he is the Habs future 1LD, he is kind of a cross between Weber and Petry and both of them were 1 D men. Better off to trade futures or Engstrom over Guhle. If you are insistent on moving Guhle send him somewhere in need of a top 4 LHD and get an equally good young top 4 RHD back, then use Barron to trade for Dubois.


Fair insights. Obviously we see the future of this Blue Line differently but I appreciate you sharing your logic, rather than simply telling me off like most of the commentors.

Edit: Out of curiosity, how do you project Harris & Xhekaj?
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23 juin 2023 à 12 h 13
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My dear @john514, you're the Elon Musk of ACGM -- you're only here to create chaos! 😉
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My dear john514, you're the Elon Musk of ACGM -- you're only here to create chaos! 😉


That is quite a compliment sir! Thanks!
 
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