Sabres decline

Woah woah woah, absolutely not. Don’t get me wrong, I love Mitts and Greenway, but Nylander is a 40 goal scorer. If I’m Kevyn Adams I’d say yes.

Lol, this site is just nuts

Everyone in the world would say yes, this is a garbage trade for TO

That doesn’t benefit the flyers at all

Somewhat agree. Nylander with 1 year left has better value than this package, but I prosposed it because:

BUF has Thompson, Cozens at 1C and 2C with youngster Krebs able to take 3C, Mittelstadt is 25, coming off a 40pt campaign and can play C or LW. Greenway is given a final chance to get back to using his size and strength and his 10-20 goal capability and could be a nice 30+ pt 3rd liner if robertson or hirvonen cant step up and Jokiharju could be a quality top 4 guy with a stay at home LD and is an upgrade on timmins. Its 3 young-ish guys who could make a deeper TOR team, give them more youth and a quality pick and cap space.

Is Nylander worth more individually, sure...but to who?

For BUF this gives them the best playmaking winger theyve had for years, they have the cap space to resign and the guys they are dealing are coming from depth they possess.

And with 2mil in cap space and 22 skaters, if Brink or Robertson aren;t ready, TOR could easily take a Hoffman at 50% retention for free, or a UFA like JVR for 3mil

Brink is worth a bit more than a 2nd, his development has been real good. Seeler probably gets a late in the round 3rd (maybe not in 2023). IMO, PHI has alot of RWs, including Koneckny, both farabee and atkinson can play RW, Allison, Tippett and foerster who makes the team this year, with quality prospects like Kaplan, Gendron. LW prospects is just Gautheir and Desnoyers. To Me Seeler isn;t worth Voit or the 2nd and Brink is worth more than either of those individually, so together its fairly even.

Could there be more to it, sure? But its not a over/under pay IMO.

TK and Atkinson will both be gone over the next 2 years. Farabee can and probably will play on the left more and I love Allison but he is nothing more than a 4th liner at this point. Tippett, Brink, Forester, Allison can absolutely be ur RW going forward. I wouldn’t be shocked if they tried Brink on the left and they even played Tippett on the left for a number of games last year. The actual trade value is fine I guess but it just doesn’t make sense to actually do the trade. Giving up on guys before we even give them a chance is how Patrick Sharp has 3 Stanley cups

Leafs would never willingly do that BUF trade, it's a downgrade.

Sure Sabres have Thompson and Cozens at 1C and 2C sure, but you’re really underselling Mitts. mitts is a very solid utility to forward that can flex around the lineup due to injuries. He had a 59 point season last year (not 40 like you said), and trended up throughout the year (point per game after the all star break). Joki as you said has potential to be a solid second pairing guy. Granato really likes Greenway and thinks he can make him into a good player. The Sabres are not giving all that up for one year of Nylander. And signing Nylander long term doesn’t make much sense with Dahlin and Power’s new deals next year and guys like JJP, Quinn, Levi etc needing deals the year after.

The thought that 1 year of Nylander has little value is nonsense. This is a crap trade for TO. A bunch of nothing for an elite player.

I’m not saying it’s heavily in Torontos favor, but it doesn’t make sense for the Sabres. The Sabres do not have a problem with scoring goals, it’s the defensive side of the puck and goaltending that needs to be better. Adding Nylander doesn’t make sense for the Sabres, especially considering the top notch forward prospect pool the Sabres have. Sure he would make the Sabres better and they have the assets to get him, but other teams (that are closer to the cup) probably would value him more than the Sabres.

And? That means nothing as far as value is concerned. This is a poor return for Nylander.

And the Sabres wouldn’t pay it. Maybe another team offers more, but he isn’t a great fit for the Sabres. If you want a better return, try a different team.

This site is insane

The disconnect between the your valuation versus the consensus Nylander value is that the consensus is factoring in opportunity cost. Nylander is definitely a very valuable and top-line caliber player on any team - 40 goal scores don't exactly grow on trees. However, it is less likely that teams are willing to move upcoming core and cost/team controlled roster players and prospects/picks for a player that could walk to UFA. Giving up on a significant portion of the teams future for one shot at the cup doesn't make sense for teams, including Buffalo. The best fit for a team to trade for Nylander is one whose contenting window is closing rapidly - Penguins would be a great place for a trade to work. Or a team whose window is on the verge of opening and could benefit from having him for the start of the window opening - DET, OTT.

The on-ice value and trade market value aren't directly correlated. I just don't envision a historic trade market for a UFA rental, regardless of how great Nylander might be.

Sure bud, every year at the deadline, guys are on here asking for crazy prices for rentals. None being as good a player as Nylander and now the consensus is he's worthless. What a joke, take your self justification elsewhere

And every year when they don't get that insane return, they get ripped apart in the trade thread. Again, the consensus isn't that he's worthless. It's just teams aren't going to go to market and trade 3 first round picks for one single shot at a cup run. If you can get him with an extension, he'd be more valuable. Find me one trade in the last 5 years for an expiring UFA or someone who came with an extension that returned so much.