Workshopping a Pesce trade

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Créé par: SupremeBone

Équipe: 2023-24 Oilers d'Edmonton

Date de création initiale: 17 juin 2023

Publié: 17 juin 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Can the trade include an extra 500-600k in retention of Pesce's contract? This would facilitate the signing of another depth player that allows the Oilers to ice a 22-man roster while still maintaining ~200k in cap flexibility for use around the deadline. Or potentially the full 2mil in retention? Would obviously cost more but that would allow Bouchard to be signed to the Dobson deal (4mil * 3) and maybe extend McLeod beyond McDavid's contract (2.25mil * 4 or 5, perhaps).

Only alternative would be further short-changing/shortening the McLeod or Bouchard deals- which are already straying into "too short/cheap" territory.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Bouchard, Evan	2	3 250 000 $
McLeod, Ryan	3	1 750 000 $
Lavoie, Raphael	2	775 000 $
Rodrigue, Olivier	2	775 000 $
Laaksonen, Oskari	2	775 000 $
Madden, Tyler	2	775 000 $
Kostin, Klim	1	800 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Brown, Connor		1	1 000 000 $
Drouin, Jonathan		1	1 000 000 $

Offres hostiles

Le salaire annuel moyen (AAV) de l'offre hostile est calculé en divisant la valeur totale du contrat par: 1. La durée totale du contrat, ou 2. Cinq ans

JOUEUR	AAV	COMPENSATION
Laaksonen, Oskari	775 000 $	Aucune compensation
Madden, Tyler	775 000 $	Aucune compensation

Transactions

EDM

Pesce, Brett

Détails additionnels:

How does a package like this stack up as a starting point? I've read a number of AGMs about this and the price seems to start with a 1st and one of the top prospects. While I'm sure CAR prefers getting current pieces, the 1st can be put to use in a subsequent trade (perhaps acquiring Karlsson?).

CAR

Broberg, Philip
Yamamoto, Kailer
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)

Détails additionnels:

I think salary would need to go back in the deal and I think Yamo could be a solid 1-year replacement for Fast. As CAR has ample cap space, the retention and/or taking salary back doesn't seem implausible, either.

EDM

Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (ANA)

ANA

Ceci, Cody

Rachats de contrats

James Neal: 1 916 667 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
21	83 500 000 $	83 054 167 $	850 000 $	650 000 $	445 833 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Kane, Evander 5 125 000 $5 125 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 3	McDavid, Connor 12 500 000 $12 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 3	Hyman, Zach 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 5
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan 5 125 000 $5 125 000 $ AG, C NMC UFA - 6	Draisaitl, Leon 8 500 000 $8 500 000 $ C, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2	Drouin, Jonathan 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Foegele, Warren 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	McLeod, Ryan 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ C RFA - 2	Brown, Connor 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Kostin, Klim 800 000 $800 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 2	Holloway, Dylan 925 000 $925 000 $ (650 000 $$650K) AG, C RFA - 1	Ryan, Derek 900 000 $900 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2
		Lavoie, Raphael 775 000 $775 000 $ AD, C RFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Nurse, Darnell 9 250 000 $9 250 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 7	Pesce, Brett 4 025 000 $4 025 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Skinner, Stuart 2 600 000 $2 600 000 $ G UFA - 3
Ekholm, Mattias 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 3	Bouchard, Evan 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ DD RFA - 2	Campbell, Jack 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 4
Kulak, Brett 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 3	Desharnais, Vincent 762 500 $762 500 $ DD UFA - 1

17 juin 2023 à 10 h 55

greytcanes

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I think you’ll be outbid. This won’t be enough.

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17 juin 2023 à 10 h 56

Caniac555

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The Canes would retain half on Pesce if you want. Yamo doesn’t do anything for the Canes, he just becomes another undersized forward for the Canes, we have plenty. Plus he can’t stay healthy.

Broberg is ok, but he’s not even a top 2 defenseman prospect for the Canes and is aging out at almost 22 already.

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17 juin 2023 à 11 h 7

SupremeBone

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Quoting: greytcanes

I think you’ll be outbid. This won’t be enough.

Possible that they'll be outbid but I have a hard time imagining him garnering that much more. Could be wrong, though. Appreciate the feedback!

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17 juin 2023 à 11 h 15

SupremeBone

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Quoting: Caniac555

Okay, the retention is the preferred route, anyway, as Yamo can be bought out with minimal cost.

I disagree that Broberg is 'aging out' at age 22; Nikishin will also be 22 by season's start. I know circumstances are different but my point is that people are WAY too quick to dismiss a guy who just played his 21-year old season as an effective NHL regular. I think the combination of those two makes for a great and cost-effective development/ succession strategy behind Slavin. However, you're free to have your opinion.

That aside, assuming the package starts with Broberg and the 1st, what more would it take?

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17 juin 2023 à 11 h 28

Caniac2000

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Yamamoto is a cap dump. Broberg is meh and the 1st is too far away. Carolina can retain, but you need to start with Bouchard. That's the only way this works. Otherwise, the Sabres can beat this offer 10000 times over with pieces like 13th overall, JJ Peterka etc that I've seen in deals so far.

17 juin 2023 à 11 h 33

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Probably gotta be Bouchard…or a three-way deal with team that wants EDM prospects

17 juin 2023 à 11 h 34

SupremeBone

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Quoting: Caniac2000

Well, I'll maintain my earlier position regarding Broberg. Bouchard being included is a complete non-starter IMO so I can't exactly argue with the fact that a team like Buffalo has more to offer. Thanks for the feedback!

17 juin 2023 à 11 h 49

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Probably gotta be Bouchard…or a three-way deal with team that wants EDM prospects

This is what hurricanes fans have been shouting ever since Oilers fans have starting proposing a Pesce to EDM trade

17 juin 2023 à 11 h 56

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: seanrushton

This is what hurricanes fans have been shouting ever since Oilers fans have starting proposing a Pesce to EDM trade

Unless Canes fall in love with Holloway or some other young player…it’s hard to see a match. Find a third team.

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17 juin 2023 à 12 h 40

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If you are using other ACGM's as guidance for a Pesce trade you are already miles in the wrong direction. Grab a 3rd party and expedite a trade that gives us a major piece in return. A stack of things that does not help us now.... does not help us now.

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