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Forum: Armchair-GM8 juill. 2023 à 9 h 43
Forum: Armchair-GM2 juill. 2023 à 13 h 34
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Orlov doesn't affect Pesce's value... what logic is that? Using that, Draisaitl worth as much as Kadri, because he's a 2nd line center in Alberta. That's the only similarity. Let's ignore the fact Orlov is a LD and PEsce is a RD, let's pretend that doesn't matter (it does). Pesce's better than Orlov...Pesce is a top 10 RD in the league, and he's cost effective. He often gets overlooked as so many Canes players do for a team that is consistently among the best in the NHL, but that isn't the issue here. Jarvis straight-up has the ability to be better than Nylander. He's already probably a better skater than Nylander, which says more about Jarvis than Nylander. His totals aren't a million miles away, and he's still just 21. This deal is awful for a dude the Canes know they wouldn't be able to re-sign because he's asking for more than 10 mil a year</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Loops</b></div><div>15,981 posts and still delusional and obviously biased. Your evaluation on Pesce is that of a biased fan and not of a professional scout. You don't sign Orlov for the kind of money he is making with the likes of Slavin, Burns, Skjei and be one of the front runners with Pittsburg for Erik Karlsson without taking a hit on the value of a guy you clearly need to trade now. It's fairly basic business, if you have a top 10 employee why are you looking to add others to take his spot? Now for your Seth Jarvis comments... is he a good player? Yes. Is he a top 6 forward? Yes. Will he ever put up the numbers Nylander is putting up? Probably not. Carolina is also in a win now mode which you get better results with Nylander than Jarvis at this point. Not to mention Nylander put up more goals than Jarvis did points this year and as a 21 year on an arguable worse team at the time, Nylander put up 61 points to Jarvis 39.

So I stand by what I said, Nylander for Pesce and Jarvis would be a terrible trade for Toronto at this point. Also, Nylander asking for over 10? You've got to stop reading blog posts from 12 year olds in their parents basement pretending to be hockey insiders my guy.</div></div>

He doesn’t speak for Canes fans.
Forum: Armchair-GM2 juill. 2023 à 13 h 5
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Terry_AkiSauce</b></div><div>How do the Canes have a lot more leverage?

Pesce didn't have his best season and is older while Nylander potted 40 and was a point per game. Not sure how they have equivalent value</div></div>

Come on now....you should know better

Trades aren't about swapping players who are 'equally good', it's about the value they bring to that specific team...and even more, the effect it has on the overall health of the franchise.

Toronto has no cap space and has to consider raises to two guys already making north of $10m. They have to move Nylander. And they want to improve their 'meh' defense.

So I'm sure the rebuttal will be....'but the Canes need more offense', which is partly true. But they had enough offense to win the division. Do they need Nylander's 40 goals in the regular season....not really. Do they need that scoring at the cost of probably more then $8m for at least 3 years, absolutely not.

Pesce will be cheaper to extend...so there you go, the inequity you were looking for.

But ok, so how are the Canes going to get the offense they need. Again, to be more accurate, they need more scoring in the playoffs.

With Svech coming back, and assuming improvement from a young core, and now adding Bunting, it's a fair assumption that playoff scoring will increase. It's not as if they need a ton of scoring, they were four goals away from the SCF.

And hey, if they are wrong and still need more scoring that will certainly be available at the deadline.

Also keep in mind, even with his 40+ goals, Nylander was only +10 in the regular season and -4 in the playoffs.

This isn't to say Nylander is not a great scorer....he is. But given the cost both in giving up Pesce and what it would it take to extend him....he doesn't represent exceptional value for the Canes.

With the embarrassment of riches on D, as well as some cap space remaining, the Canes don't need to target a rental or $8m x 3 year player....they can target someone younger, cheaper, who is a better two-way player.

It's just not a move the Canes have to make
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