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Habs Roll the Dice on two

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DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Edmundson, JoelCanadiens de MontréalLNH-3 481 183 $011---0000--
Struble, JaydenExempté du ballottageCanadiens de MontréalMineures-0 $011---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (Logo de Panthers de la FlorideFLA)---100------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Goodrow, BarclayRangers de New YorkLNH-3 622 088 $011---0000--
Lafrenière, AlexisRangers de New YorkLNH-0 $011---0000--
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial725 834 $2037555617
Variation-140 905 $1-10-100
Final584 929 $ (↓)21 (↑)36 (↓)554 (↓)617000

Logo de Rangers de New YorkRangers de New York

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Goodrow, BarclayRangers de New YorkLNH-3 622 088 $011---0000--
Lafrenière, AlexisRangers de New YorkLNH-0 $011---0000--
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Edmundson, JoelCanadiens de MontréalLNH-3 481 183 $011---0000--
Struble, JaydenExempté du ballottageCanadiens de MontréalMineures-0 $011---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (Logo de Panthers de la FlorideFLA)---100------
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial11 762 917 $1432463212
Variation140 905 $-110100
Final11 903 822 $ (↑)13 (↓)33 (↑)464 (↑)212000
6 juin 2023 à 9 h 20
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I would think Montreal has to throw in some forwards who can provide offense. Maybe some sort of combination of Kidney/Davidson/Farrell/Mesar (even though Lafreniere MAY already be deemed to be a slight bust).
6 juin 2023 à 11 h 23
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Rangers decline. Edmundson won't be going anywhere unless Montreal pays another team to take him but it won't be the Rangers contenders don't take on cap dumps. Sruble and a very late 1st is probably enough to get Goodrow but wouldn't be enough to convince NYR to give up on Lafreniere already.
6 juin 2023 à 11 h 58
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you can tell a Montreal fan proposed this one lol
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6 juin 2023 à 12 h 59
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It's not rolling the dice if you're not giving up anything of value.............
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Quoting: Dutchies
It's not rolling the dice if you're not giving up anything of value.............


Taking a chance on the players who could use a change of scenery.
Rangers will need to pay to move Barclay, not recieve. Add what they would pay to move to that contract to the FLA pick plusStruble (a B level D prospect) and Edmunston who could be flipped for a 3rd. That equates to a late first, a B prospect, a 3rd, and whatever NYR would payback to move Barclay (2nd?) , for Laf who is not fetching much.
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Rangers decline. Edmundson won't be going anywhere unless Montreal pays another team to take him but it won't be the Rangers contenders don't take on cap dumps. Sruble and a very late 1st is probably enough to get Goodrow but wouldn't be enough to convince NYR to give up on Lafreniere already.


Goodrow is neither fetching a 1st, nor Struble.
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If you want laffy, start with what you paid for Dach, then add significantly
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Rangers decline. Edmundson won't be going anywhere unless Montreal pays another team to take him but it won't be the Rangers contenders don't take on cap dumps. Sruble and a very late 1st is probably enough to get Goodrow but wouldn't be enough to convince NYR to give up on Lafreniere already.


Goodrow is a negative asset or at least free considering the rangers cap. 0 chance a sane team pays more than a 6th or 7th for him
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If you want laffy, start with what you paid for Dach, then add significantly


Dach from Chicago for a 1st and a 3rd
Laf from NYR for a 1st a 3rd (Struble value on trade market), plus the value on eating Goodrow contract (2nd?) - plus whatever NYR can get on the trade market for Edmunston.

Would NYR match an offer sheet for $5 - 5.5 million ? If yes, then have at it - if no ...take your 1st and 3rd next year.
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6 juin 2023 à 19 h 18
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Goodrow is neither fetching a 1st, nor Struble.


IOW you agree Struble and a 1st would probably be enough to get him. I never said he was worth that just that it would probably be enough to get him.

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Goodrow is a negative asset or at least free considering the rangers cap. 0 chance a sane team pays more than a 6th or 7th for him


That's a load of you know what. He might not be worth a first but he'd fetch more than you claim.


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Dach from Chicago for a 1st and a 3rd
Laf from NYR for a 1st a 3rd (Struble value on trade market), plus the value on eating Goodrow contract (2nd?) - plus whatever NYR can get on the trade market for Edmunston.

Would NYR match an offer sheet for $5 - 5.5 million ? If yes, then have at it - if no ...take your 1st and 3rd next year.


LOL You have it backwards. Goodrow has more value than Edmundson who is broken down washed up and has negative value. In addition the 31st/32nd OA pick Montreal got from Florida doesn't have near the same value as the 13th OA pick Montreal gave Chicago for Dach.
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Dach from Chicago for a 1st and a 3rd
Laf from NYR for a 1st a 3rd (Struble value on trade market), plus the value on eating Goodrow contract (2nd?) - plus whatever NYR can get on the trade market for Edmunston.

Would NYR match an offer sheet for $5 - 5.5 million ? If yes, then have at it - if no ...take your 1st and 3rd next year.


Pick 31 does not come close to equalling pick 13. You're another late 1st short there. And again, Dach had significantly less pedigree AND production than Laffy.
Struble would not garner a 3rd. Edmundson without retention is a cap dump just like Goodrow, but We'll go with Edmundson +eating goodrow +struble=3rd if you want

So you need another 1st or 1st of value to equal the dach offer, and again significantly more because Laff is much more productive and has more pedigree than dach did
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Pick 31 does not come close to equalling pick 13. You're another late 1st short there. And again, Dach had significantly less pedigree AND production than Laffy.
Struble would not garner a 3rd. Edmundson without retention is a cap dump just like Goodrow, but We'll go with Edmundson +eating goodrow +struble=3rd if you want

So you need another 1st or 1st of value to equal the dach offer, and again significantly more because Laff is much more productive and has more pedigree than dach did


Or Just Offer Sheet him 5X5
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Or Just Offer Sheet him 5X5


Or you could be realistic about the climate of the current NHL. Offer sheets don't happen, don't work, and simply come back to bite you. The owner's simply don't want to raise RFA prices for no reason.
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Pick 31 does not come close to equalling pick 13. You're another late 1st short there. And again, Dach had significantly less pedigree AND production than Laffy.
Struble would not garner a 3rd. Edmundson without retention is a cap dump just like Goodrow, but We'll go with Edmundson +eating goodrow +struble=3rd if you want

So you need another 1st or 1st of value to equal the dach offer, and again significantly more because Laff is much more productive and has more pedigree than dach did


what is more productive for you ?? because if you compare both player Dach / Laffy you could say they are pretty much similar.

dach
19 - 20 // 64 / 8 + 15 = 23 -1
20 - 21 // 18 / 2 + 8 = 10 -3
21 - 22 // 70 / 9 + 17 = 26 -18


Laffy
20 - 21 // 56 / 12 + 9 = 21 -7
21 - 22 // 79 / 19 + 12 = 31 2
Playoff // 20 / 2 + 7 = 9 -3


if you want to take into consideration 22-23
Dach: 58 / 14 + 24 = 38 -2
Laffy: 81 / 16 + 23 = 39 10
playoffs 7 / 0 + 0 = 0 0

Dach would have produce more if it was not about is injury he got that stop him playing the 20-21 season. its even more close when you compare this year 38 versus 39 points. The only big difference between both in 22-23 is that laffy is +10 but that could be easily be explain by the fact Ranger was an better team then Habs. You could even argue that Dach would have perform better if he could have made the 82 match over the 58 he play.


Quoting: MoxNix
IOW you agree Struble and a 1st would probably be enough to get him. I never said he was worth that just that it would probably be enough to get him.
That's a load of you know what. He might not be worth a first but he'd fetch more than you claim.
LOL You have it backwards. Goodrow has more value than Edmundson who is broken down washed up and has negative value. In addition the 31st/32nd OA pick Montreal got from Florida doesn't have near the same value as the 13th OA pick Montreal gave Chicago for Dach.



While Edmundson did have is injury history, he still a good defensemen and add the fact is contract is for one year only. I will give you the points that he will be trade with 50% retain salary which is 1.750m.

on the other side Goodrow have be okay in season for NYR for the last two year but when playoffs come he's out. In playoffs with NYR he got a record of 16 GP 1 G 1 A = 2 PTS and -3. that not a good deal for 3.6m over the next 4 years and that a negative value here.

Another thing to take into consideration, NYR have around 11 to 12m cap space and they have Tarasanko, P. Kane, K, A Miller , Laffy and a backup goaltender to resign.

lets just say Laffy doing an contract like Dach 3.3m for the next 3 years Next you want to resign K.A Miller to an average of 5 to 6m that leave you with 2.7m available to acquire 3 forward, 1 defensemen and one backup goalie. If one of the Minor Goalie is ready to backup then its league minimum and save you money but its still over 3 to 4 spot need to be fill with 2.7m to play with.

P.Kane if he want to rest in NYR would probably need to take less salary so maybe around an 3 to 6m again. I dont see how NYR could resign everyone with that much money they have.

so doing an trade of Goodrow for Edmundson 50% retain could be one way to help with the cap salary and keep better player like P.Kane + Tarasanko into the team at the cost of a guys like Laffy maybe.
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what is more productive for you ?? because if you compare both player Dach / Laffy you could say they are pretty much similar.

dach
19 - 20 // 64 / 8 + 15 = 23 -1
20 - 21 // 18 / 2 + 8 = 10 -3
21 - 22 // 70 / 9 + 17 = 26 -18


Laffy
20 - 21 // 56 / 12 + 9 = 21 -7
21 - 22 // 79 / 19 + 12 = 31 2
Playoff // 20 / 2 + 7 = 9 -3


if you want to take into consideration 22-23
Dach: 58 / 14 + 24 = 38 -2
Laffy: 81 / 16 + 23 = 39 10
playoffs 7 / 0 + 0 = 0 0

Dach would have produce more if it was not about is injury he got that stop him playing the 20-21 season. its even more close when you compare this year 38 versus 39 points. The only big difference between both in 22-23 is that laffy is +10 but that could be easily be explain by the fact Ranger was an better team then Habs. You could even argue that Dach would have perform better if he could have made the 82 match over the 58 he play.





While Edmundson did have is injury history, he still a good defensemen and add the fact is contract is for one year only. I will give you the points that he will be trade with 50% retain salary which is 1.750m.

on the other side Goodrow have be okay in season for NYR for the last two year but when playoffs come he's out. In playoffs with NYR he got a record of 16 GP 1 G 1 A = 2 PTS and -3. that not a good deal for 3.6m over the next 4 years and that a negative value here.

Another thing to take into consideration, NYR have around 11 to 12m cap space and they have Tarasanko, P. Kane, K, A Miller , Laffy and a backup goaltender to resign.

lets just say Laffy doing an contract like Dach 3.3m for the next 3 years Next you want to resign K.A Miller to an average of 5 to 6m that leave you with 2.7m available to acquire 3 forward, 1 defensemen and one backup goalie. If one of the Minor Goalie is ready to backup then its league minimum and save you money but its still over 3 to 4 spot need to be fill with 2.7m to play with.

P.Kane if he want to rest in NYR would probably need to take less salary so maybe around an 3 to 6m again. I dont see how NYR could resign everyone with that much money they have.

so doing an trade of Goodrow for Edmundson 50% retain could be one way to help with the cap salary and keep better player like P.Kane + Tarasanko into the team at the cost of a guys like Laffy maybe.


Dach's 22-23 season (where he had less 5v5 points than matt martin) is irrelevant to how much you paid for him.

Year 1-3: Laffy 91 points in 216 games (without PP1 time), 85 of which came at even strength.
Dach: 51 points in 152 games (with PP1 time), just 48 at even strength

Even strength scoring:
Dach 16g 48p in 2106 minutes even strength
Laff 44g 85p in 2828 minutes.

Not even close
7 juin 2023 à 12 h 16
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Even strength scoring:
Dach 16g 48p in 2106 minutes even strength
Laff 44g 85p in 2828 minutes.

Not even close


Yeah, not close... Laff only gets 0.08 points/even strenght minutes more than Dach, so 0,48 points/60 min, 39.36 more points in an 82 times, full 60 minutes of even-strenght play.
And yes, if you don't count Dach 22-23, you can't count Laff's future for it's value
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Yeah, not close... Laff only gets 0.08 points/even strenght minutes more than Dach, so 0,48 points/60 min, 39.36 more points in an 82 times, full 60 minutes of even-strenght play.
And yes, if you don't count Dach 22-23, you can't count Laff's future for it's value


I don't count Dach's 2023 bc it occured AFTER he was traded. Thereby having no bearing on his trade value of 13th and a 3rd.
 
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