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Hellebuyck and Dubois Trades

Créé par: Rooney
Équipe: 2023-24 Jets de Winnipeg
Date de création initiale: 23 mai 2023
Publié: 23 mai 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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I was hesitant to post this one as I'm almost certain my trade values are off...constructive feedback is definitely welcome here!

These signings/trades are a lot different than what I usually propose but I figured I'd change it up a bit.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 250 000 $
3787 500 $
2787 500 $
2775 000 $
21 400 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
65 500 000 $
1775 000 $
1775 000 $
1900 000 $
Transactions
1.
WPG
  1. Krebs, Peyton
  2. Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka
  3. Mittelstadt, Casey
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (BUF)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (BUF)
BUF
  1. Hellebuyck, Connor
  2. Stanley, Logan [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (WPG)
2.
WPG
  1. Kidney, Riley
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (COL)
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [Droits de RFA]
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2023
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2024
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Logo de COL
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Logo de WPG
Logo de WPG
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2383 500 000 $71 030 357 $0 $1 987 500 $12 469 643 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
7 142 857 $7 142 857 $
AG
UFA - 3
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
6 125 000 $6 125 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AG, C
RFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
800 000 $800 000 $ (Bonis de performance300 000 $$300K)
AD
NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance412 500 $$412K)
C, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
775 000 $775 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
2 166 667 $2 166 667 $
AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
6 250 000 $6 250 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
G
UFA - 5
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
5 875 000 $5 875 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
837 500 $837 500 $
G
RFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
5 950 000 $5 950 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
787 500 $787 500 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
DG
RFA - 1
900 000 $900 000 $
AD
UFA - 3

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23 mai 2023 à 11 h 48
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I dont think any Dubois trade happens without cap going the other way either Armia, Hoffman or Dvorak
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23 mai 2023 à 11 h 50
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Quoting: JeffGorton
I dont think any Dubois trade happens without cap going the other way either Armia, Hoffman or Dvorak


I absolutely agree, I normally add Dvorak in these trades. Even if WPG didn't want to hold onto him, I would think they could flip him to CHI (he's an Illinois native) for even a mid round pick.
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23 mai 2023 à 12 h 0
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Those trades as is... Deal and Deal from WPG's side. WPG could lose Dubois for nothing since every team knows he's going to MTL in a year. Helly won't be sticking around either, because he believes Jets Mgmt as much as we do... which is NOT at all. The WPG / BUF deal is great for WPG.
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23 mai 2023 à 12 h 4
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Quoting: SKWPG
Those trades as is... Deal and Deal from WPG's side. WPG could lose Dubois for nothing since every team knows he's going to MTL in a year. Helly won't be sticking around either, because he believes Jets Mgmt as much as we do... which is NOT at all. The WPG / BUF deal is great for WPG.


I think it would e a little rich for the Sabres, I also don't think they would be interested in Stanley. My guess would be to remove one of Krebs or Mitts and remove Stanley and that would be a good frame work for the deal.
23 mai 2023 à 12 h 7
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I think it would e a little rich for the Sabres, I also don't think they would be interested in Stanley. My guess would be to remove one of Krebs or Mitts and remove Stanley and that would be a good frame work for the deal.


Agreed. That's why I said it's Great for WPG. Remove Mitt and Stanley and it becomes... maybe. The Jets will be lucky to get an empty bucket of chicken for Stanley.
23 mai 2023 à 12 h 7
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If the Jets are trading Hellebuyck, they have to rebuild. So, I don't think a win-now piece like Mittlestadt would be interesting.

If the jets are only getting a late 1st for PLD, then I think the Jets ask for an impactful roster player or prospect coming back with it. A B/C prospect with the rest is a low end TDL return. That's easily beaten by multiple teams.
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23 mai 2023 à 12 h 11
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Quoting: Windjammer
If the Jets are trading Hellebuyck, they have to rebuild. So, I don't think a win-now piece like Mittlestadt would be interesting.

If the jets are only getting a late 1st for PLD, then I think the Jets ask for an impactful roster player or prospect coming back with it. A B/C prospect with the rest is a low end TDL return. That's easily beaten by multiple teams.


Fair enough!
23 mai 2023 à 12 h 22
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The Jets desperately need help on the right side of their D and have an elite goalie they are willing to move for the right price.

The Devils have an excess of right shot defensemen and desperately need an elite goalie.

Seems like you might be barking up the wrong tree, to me.
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23 mai 2023 à 12 h 22
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I think Buffalo is giving too much here, what piece that is exactly Idk but its too much from them.

Should really grab Dvorak, I'm in the minority but he'd be a decent middle six center, hell I'd entertain getting Dvorak and Armia but I'm a big Armia fan so I'm biased in that regard BUT even with his down year he'd be a big improvement over much of the current junk in the Jets bottom six!
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23 mai 2023 à 12 h 28
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The Jets desperately need help on the right side of their D and have an elite goalie they are willing to move for the right price.

The Devils have an excess of right shot defensemen and desperately need an elite goalie.

Seems like you might be barking up the wrong tree, to me.


NJ isn't trading Nemec, Hamilton isn't getting moved and has trade protection, are the Devils moving Marino already? Seems unlikely so don't think they really line up all that well if getting a RHD for Helle is the Jets priority.
23 mai 2023 à 12 h 30
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For me, it’s all about those firsts, if that Buffalo trade comes with that Buffalo first and not costing the jets first, and also a Florida first. Don’t overly care about the prospects or the cap dumps. Does this come with a scheifele extension or is that a deadline decision
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23 mai 2023 à 12 h 30
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I absolutely agree, I normally add Dvorak in these trades. Even if WPG didn't want to hold onto him, I would think they could flip him to CHI (he's an Illinois native) for even a mid round pick.


I don't get why we're so opposed to Dvorak?
Ehlers can probably turn him into a 50-55 point 2C.
23 mai 2023 à 12 h 38
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The Jets desperately need help on the right side of their D and have an elite goalie they are willing to move for the right price.

The Devils have an excess of right shot defensemen and desperately need an elite goalie.

Seems like you might be barking up the wrong tree, to me.


NJD would be an amazing fit, I agree.
23 mai 2023 à 12 h 39
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I think Buffalo is giving too much here, what piece that is exactly Idk but its too much from them.

Should really grab Dvorak, I'm in the minority but he'd be a decent middle six center, hell I'd entertain getting Dvorak and Armia but I'm a big Armia fan so I'm biased in that regard BUT even with his down year he'd be a big improvement over much of the current junk in the Jets bottom six!


I do agree that this is probably the most likely scenario.
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23 mai 2023 à 12 h 41
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I don't get why we're so opposed to Dvorak?
Ehlers can probably turn him into a 50-55 point 2C.


Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against acquiring Dvorak and slotting him in that 2C spot (most of my Jets AC-GM's do this), I just went a different route for this one. Acquiring Mittelstadt & Krebs in this scenario is why I did not include him.
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23 mai 2023 à 12 h 42
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There will definitely be teams interested in Hellebuyck, but I kind of doubt that BUF will be one of them. They really like their young guy Levi in the long term, and based on what he showed at the end of last season he may get a solid number of games this year.
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23 mai 2023 à 12 h 53
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There will definitely be teams interested in Hellebuyck, but I kind of doubt that BUF will be one of them. They really like their young guy Levi in the long term, and based on what he showed at the end of last season he may get a solid number of games this year.


I'll be honest, I sort of forgot about Levi lol...I agree BUF may not be the top choice here.
23 mai 2023 à 12 h 58
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If that trade happens at the draft, I wouldn't be happy but neither mad
Just a fair deal
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23 mai 2023 à 21 h 45
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Your trade proposition aren’t that off. Switch the second with a third and Norlinder/Tuch/Simoneau and Montreal accept
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