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REBUILD -BEDARD lets debate this

Créé par: basicallyyakupov
Équipe: 2023-24 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 18 mai 2023
Publié: 18 mai 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Competitive Rebuild

Dismantle the core. Lower the cap hit.
Sign UFA depth slight overpay to fill roster. (max 3 year contracts to keep cap room for when bedard exits entry level contract)
Tavares leads team, takes league minimum after 2 years. (will need to first line for first year, struggle, but next year Tage or Conor takes over; play the Mario Lemieux mentor role)

Team goal is just to make play off for experience, but expected early exit (same results with Core 3 anyways who cares)

Pray that our Finish defensive prospects enter the roster within the next 3 years.
Use cap room to be aggressive with short term contracts in FA.

Max Domi would be ecstatic to join the Leafs and fit into a role utility player.
Pair Bedard with Reaves for protection. (McSorley to Gretzky)

Overall strategy, rebuild/tool into a cap headroom team.
2 steps back, 1 step forward short term, position to be leaps ahead long term.

Expect to win Stanley Cup by year 7 from now.

Have lots of cap room to make moves or sign UFA.

Still ???? for a top Left winger. Not sure who is available on market so left it blank for now, enough cap to fill however.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
33 500 000 $
3900 000 $
3900 000 $
3900 000 $
3900 000 $
3900 000 $
3900 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
33 000 000 $
12 000 000 $
27 000 000 $
34 000 000 $
32 500 000 $
34 000 000 $
31 200 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Bedard, Conor
3900 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Thompson, Tage
Détails additionnels:
Buffalo has the cap, gives up a stud on bargain contract but will return 2 higher performing players with ability to pay them asking price + retool around Alex Tuch, etc. Help get to cap floor.
BUF
  1. Marner, Mitchell
  2. Nylander, William
Détails additionnels:
TOR loses on this trade but have Tage on term at bargain contract.
2.
TOR
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CHI)
Détails additionnels:
Conor Bedard
CHI
  1. Matthews, Auston
  2. Robertson, Nicholas
Détails additionnels:
Chicago gets a prospect gamble in Robertson (potential top 6)
Chicago gets a marquee player in Matthews certified stud. Chicago can sign max cap.
Rachats de contrats
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2023
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2184 000 000 $69 672 024 $0 $0 $14 327 976 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 2
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
925 000 $925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
7 142 857 $7 142 857 $
C
UFA - 7
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Bedard, Conor
900 000 $900 000 $
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 4
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 150 000 $1 150 000 $
AD, C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AD, C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
766 667 $766 667 $
G
RFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
800 000 $800 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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18 mai 2023 à 7 h 57
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18 mai 2023 à 7 h 59
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Sabres aren't trading tage on what is possibly going to be the best contract in the league for two rentals.
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18 mai 2023 à 7 h 59
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Toronto doesn't have the assets to get Bedard out of Chicago
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18 mai 2023 à 8 h 1
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Both teams say no, they aren't giving up their young players for potentially rentals that are older and more expensive
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18 mai 2023 à 8 h 3
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Never change leaf fans, never change.
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18 mai 2023 à 8 h 8
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Not only do both trades get laughed at, having John Tavares as a 1st line Centre is asking to miss the playoffs.
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18 mai 2023 à 8 h 11
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TO CLARIFY: all trades contingent on resign talks + resign

thought it was clear in the trade descriptions that these would ensure non-rental
18 mai 2023 à 8 h 13
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Not only do both trades get laughed at, having John Tavares as a 1st line Centre is asking to miss the playoffs.


Quoting: ThomasJHill
Not only do both trades get laughed at, having John Tavares as a 1st line Centre is asking to miss the playoffs.


and so the Leafs will miss the playoffs for a few years. read description already implied that results don't matter short term
18 mai 2023 à 8 h 14
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Sabres aren't trading tage on what is possibly going to be the best contract in the league for two rentals.


TO CLARIFY: all trades contingent on resign talks + resign

thought it was clear in the trade descriptions that these would ensure non-rental
18 mai 2023 à 8 h 15
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Toronto doesn't have the assets to get Bedard out of Chicago


Chicago would turn down this deal? Thought it could go either way, legit top 3 generational talent playing in the league right now. But no problem, Leafs keep.
18 mai 2023 à 8 h 16
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Sabres aren't trading tage on what is possibly going to be the best contract in the league for two rentals.


100% agree Tage could probably be the best contract in the NHL in the next few years.

But also noting, Tage will never surpass either Marner or Nylander's career high let along both together.
18 mai 2023 à 8 h 16
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TO CLARIFY: all trades contingent on resign talks + resign

thought it was clear in the trade descriptions that these would ensure non-rental


So sabres lose a leader in tage on a steal of a contract to possibly sign two players to ridiculously bloated contracts and destroy the sabres cap?
18 mai 2023 à 8 h 18
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Quoting: basicallyyakupov
100% agree Tage could probably be the best contract in the NHL in the next few years.

But also noting, Tage will never surpass either Marner or Nylander's career high let along both together.


Tage already passed nylanders best season while playing hurt and tage has outscored marner the past two seasons.
18 mai 2023 à 8 h 20
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I only do the Bedard deal if we can get Murray and the Boston 1st for the Tampa 1st because...Toronto fans
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18 mai 2023 à 8 h 21
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Chicago would turn down this deal? Thought it could go either way, legit top 3 generational talent playing in the league right now. But no problem, Leafs keep.


Obviously Chicago turns it down. 1 year of Matthews does not carry remotely as much value as you seem to think. Matthews doesn't help Chicago tank for more top 5 picks, and he would obviously never sign an extension with a bottom feeder. Whereas Chicago will have Bedard for at least the next 8 years
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18 mai 2023 à 8 h 22
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18 mai 2023 à 8 h 23
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This is a Good one. Toronto fans sharing the Glue Bottle!! How are those Marlies doing ?
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18 mai 2023 à 8 h 25
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Hawks just wait 1 year and get Matthews for free
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18 mai 2023 à 8 h 25
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Both of these deals are huge wins for TOR, and huge losses for the other teams. Both offers are instantly declined.
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18 mai 2023 à 8 h 42
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Quoting: basicallyyakupov
100% agree Tage could probably be the best contract in the NHL in the next few years.

But also noting, Tage will never surpass either Marner or Nylander's career high let along both together.


"No player will surpass the career highs of two very good players combined."

Would you trade like 7 depth players who have 25 points each for McDavid? Combined, they have more points than McDavid has in a season!
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18 mai 2023 à 10 h 0
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
"No player will surpass the career highs of two very good players combined."

Would you trade like 7 depth players who have 25 points each for McDavid? Combined, they have more points than McDavid has in a season!


Agree with what you are saying but that's not what I said.

"Tage will never surpass either Marner or Nylander's career high let along both together."

This means....

Marner's career high > Tage's career high
Nylander's career high > Tage's career high
Marner + Nylander's career high > Tage's career high

Clarified for you
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Hawks just wait 1 year and get Matthews for free


Oof, max pain scenario
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Obviously Chicago turns it down. 1 year of Matthews does not carry remotely as much value as you seem to think. Matthews doesn't help Chicago tank for more top 5 picks, and he would obviously never sign an extension with a bottom feeder. Whereas Chicago will have Bedard for at least the next 8 years


Re-read the trade description. Condition implies resign.
18 mai 2023 à 10 h 2
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Obviously Chicago turns it down. 1 year of Matthews does not carry remotely as much value as you seem to think. Matthews doesn't help Chicago tank for more top 5 picks, and he would obviously never sign an extension with a bottom feeder. Whereas Chicago will have Bedard for at least the next 8 years


Re-read trade description

Condition of trade implied Matthews resign.
18 mai 2023 à 10 h 21
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Re-read the trade description. Condition implies resign.


1. Why would he re-sign with a team that will be bottom 5 in the league guaranteed?
2. Why would Toronto get more when Chicago is the team signing him to an extension?
 
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