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Question about Matthews value to a team

Créé par: KentMcNally
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 13 mai 2023
Publié: 13 mai 2023
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I want to say that I am a Leafs hater, so I am biased but, the question still is: what is the value to Matthews to another team in a trade.
He is undoubtedly an elite player in the regular season, No question.
In the playoffs, though, he really does seem to disappear/play a perimeter game that does not work in the playoffs.
In my mind he is kind of like Ovechkin was in the years before Washington won the Cup...great in the regular season but not performing in the playoffs.
Could Matthews turn his career around like Ovechkin did and actually be a contributor to a team that has playoff success?
Then there is the factor about his salary. He needs a new contract after the upcoming year and will likely take up about 13% to 16% of a team's total cap space. That is not insignifcant, because a team taking on a high-end talent like Matthews is also taking on the risk that they will use a big part of their overall salary cap availability to take on a player who may never get it done in the playoffs as a leader. This is why some of my trade values may seem low.
So how much is he worth in a trade?
From Toronto's perspective I think they could think about trading him to a team for a lesser talented package of players, BUT players who are more likely to perform in the playoffs.
I also think there is a real possibility Matthews decides that he will go to free agency with a U.S. team because he gets tired of the pressure and criticism (which is richly deserved) in Toronto, so perhaps T.O. has to lower their expectations in a trade return.
I suggested a few trades below that might work (although, as a Habs fan, I would prefer to see him stay in Toronto and continue to be a no-show in the playoffs for the next decade!)
Any other reasonable trade scenarios are welcomed.
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      13 mai 2023 à 12 h 55
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      whether it makes sense or not to other teams, the Sens would absolutely not trade Brady for Matthews. far too valuable of a leader and the piece that the entire team and culture has been built around, especially for a team that already has their #1 centre
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      13 mai 2023 à 12 h 56
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      I’d love to know how anyone can watch the postseason and come to the conclusion that Matthews underachieved?
      13 mai 2023 à 12 h 57
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      Verbeek would never do that deal for the Ducks. He wants to keep and build the young core he currently has.
      13 mai 2023 à 12 h 58
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      Quoting: The_G_89
      Verbeek would never do that.


      Why do you say that?

      I would not want Matthews on my team either because I think he is a choker, but Zegras, Matthews and Fantilli down the middle for Anaheim makes it interesting to consider. What do you think are the flaws in the trade?
      13 mai 2023 à 12 h 59
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      Kinda crazy to think any of those teams give up so much for one year of Matthews. Please no crazy extension talk.
      IMO is gong not gonna resign with the Leafs. So the Leafs have a decision this summer but likely more at TDL.....are we sellers or do we go for one more Cup run with Matthews/Nylander/Brodie, all would fetch a good return at TD, even as rental
      IMO the best situation for Matthews/the Leafs and is new team, is next TDL...Leafs trade him to the Kings with an extension on place so he gets eight years. If the Kings want to accommodate his $$$$ that seems be the best destination for all concerned.
      13 mai 2023 à 12 h 59
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      Quoting: DougieGilmour
      I’d love to know how anyone can watch the postseason and come to the conclusion that Matthews underachieved?


      2 assists in 5 games against Florida make me conclude that he underperformed on a team that was supposed to be one of the Stanley Cup favourites.
      13 mai 2023 à 12 h 59
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      Problem with Matthews is him having a NMC on July 1. The team trading for him would likely have to do so before July 1 but can’t negotiate a contract until after. If the Leafs trade Matthews as a rental, the Leafs lose a lot of value. If they trade him with an extension in place then Matthews gets to control his destiny. But that severely limits his destinations based on his cap hit. For the Jackets in this instance, would never trade their 3OA pick bc there is no extension in place. The best offer would be Kings 1st, 2024 conditional 1st, and Boqvist.
      13 mai 2023 à 13 h 1
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      Quoting: KentMcNally
      2 assists in 5 games against Florida make me conclude that he underperformed on a team that was supposed to be one of the Stanley Cup favourites.


      So 11 points in 11 games while having more blocked shots than any forward and 14 takeaways just gets ignored? We ran into a red hot goalie and we lost. It happens every year to someone.
      13 mai 2023 à 13 h 1
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      Quoting: KentMcNally
      Why do you say that?

      I would not want Matthews on my team either because I think he is a choker, but Zegras, Matthews and Fantilli down the middle for Anaheim makes it interesting to consider. What do you think are the flaws in the trade?



      The Flaws are we would give up too much and we are not giving up some of our young core for 2 years of Matthews. We are taking our time building up the core we already have. While Zegras, Matthews, and Fantilli would be nice, it’s a pipe dream. We still have to re-sign Zegras and Terry and a couple other RFAs. Matthews would not fit our time frame. I think the team you’re looking for is Arizona. Arizona would gladly trade with you and bring Matthews home. I would even think they would give up possibly thwir 2 1st rounders in 2023 or at least 1 1st rounder in 2023 and one in 2024 for Matthews.
      13 mai 2023 à 13 h 2
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      I think there would have to be a third team involved possibly a kadri reunion to Toronto, whoever is buying is going to have to clear an abundance of cap for a possible longterm signature, and Toronto can’t really go full fire sale, they need a few guys back that fits the window. Instantly ready to go, they need some grit that’s making some money.
      13 mai 2023 à 13 h 2
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      Kinda crazy to think any of those teams give up so much for one year of Matthews. Please no crazy extension talk.
      IMO is gong not gonna resign with the Leafs. So the Leafs have a decision this summer but likely more at TDL.....are we sellers or do we go for one more Cup run with Matthews/Nylander/Brodie, all would fetch a good return at TD, even as rental
      IMO the best situation for Matthews/the Leafs and is new team, is next TDL...Leafs trade him to the Kings with an extension on place so he gets eight years. If the Kings want to accommodate his $$$$ that seems be the best destination for all concerned.


      What do you think would be a reasonable return for Matthews from L.A.?
      13 mai 2023 à 13 h 4
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      cbj takes that 1000% if he signs with us
      13 mai 2023 à 13 h 9
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      Quoting: DougieGilmour
      So 11 points in 11 games while having more blocked shots than any forward and 14 takeaways just gets ignored? We ran into a red hot goalie and we lost. It happens every year to someone.


      Yes, but Toronto has higher expectations than winning one playoff round, which they have only done once in the 7 years he has been there. Plus, when they won that one playoff round this year they went out in 5 games in the next round and (again) he had 2 assists in the entire series. His career work in the playoffs to date is not impressive and he is expected to be one of the leaders on the supposed Stanley Cup favourite team.
      I hope Toronto does keep Matthews and keeps having the same results.
      13 mai 2023 à 13 h 10
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      cbj takes that 1000% if he signs with us


      OK. I could see that.
      What if Toronto wanted Jiricek included in the deal?
      13 mai 2023 à 13 h 15
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      Probably need a up and coming team in the sw corner of the USA to buy for a easier extension and a rebuilding team or retooling team to take some salary possibly and add some veteran talent to the leafs window. Whoever is buying is going to need to shed some salary and also not lose too much talent in the Mathews window for it not to make sense. Possibly Winnipeg or Calgary as the third team with a la or Vegas possibly. Would take some creativity for sure.
      13 mai 2023 à 13 h 17
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      Quoting: KentMcNally
      What do you think would be a reasonable return for Matthews from L.A.?


      Quoting: KentMcNally
      What do you think would be a reasonable return for Matthews from L.A.?


      If my scenario is correct, about TDL trade, the Kings don't really want to take (many) players off their current lineup. So the trade would be mostly for draft or prospects.

      I would say centre Byfield, Dman prospect Brandt, and first rounder.
      13 mai 2023 à 13 h 23
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      Quoting: DougieGilmour
      I’d love to know how anyone can watch the postseason and come to the conclusion that Matthews underachieved?


      0 goals in 5 games in the second round is how. You can argue about his total points in the playoffs all you want and how he did more than just put up point with his blocks and hits - but the bottom line is that he’s paid to be a premier goal scorer in the league and when his teams needs it the most he doesn’t put the puck in the net. He has a long history of that now. Hell he had a chance to end it in OT and didn’t. He’s a great player, no argument there. But he disappeared when Toronto needed him. Other guys elevate their game when needed like Draisaitl, McDavid, MacKinnon, Eichel.. hell even Roope Hintz has been better
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      13 mai 2023 à 13 h 25
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      0 goals in 5 games in the second round is how. You can argue about his total points in the playoffs all you want and how he did more than just put up point with his blocks and hits - but the bottom line is that he’s paid to be a premier goal scorer in the league and when his teams needs it the most he doesn’t put the puck in the net. He has a long history of that now. Hell he had a chance to end it in OT and didn’t. He’s a great player, no argument there. But he disappeared when Toronto needed him. Other guys elevate their game when needed like Draisaitl, McDavid, MacKinnon, Eichel.. hell even Roope Hintz has been better


      We ran into a red hot goalie and couldn’t score. We had 53 shots on goal. The team couldn’t score on Bob. The way he’s playing no one can.
      13 mai 2023 à 13 h 31
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      Flyers aren’t giving up the 7th for AM they are rebuilding and can’t use him during that
      13 mai 2023 à 13 h 48
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      AM value is either = to or less than what Buf got for Eichel minus the Tuch like player, it is reported and has been for while that his next contract will be between 12-15M, which is ridiculous and it lowers his value in a trade.

      Tor would get more trading AM as a rental than a trade similar to Eichel
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      13 mai 2023 à 13 h 59
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      Sens say HELL NO!!!!
      13 mai 2023 à 15 h 30
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      Quoting: KentMcNally
      Why do you say that?

      I would not want Matthews on my team either because I think he is a choker, but Zegras, Matthews and Fantilli down the middle for Anaheim makes it interesting to consider. What do you think are the flaws in the trade?


      Because Matthews could easily walk in FA next summer, whereas McTavish we’ll have for a while before he begins asking for Matthews type money. Ducks have an elite defensive prospect pool and aren’t going to damage it for a player who could walk next summer.
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      13 mai 2023 à 15 h 41
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      Quoting: DougieGilmour
      We ran into a red hot goalie and couldn’t score. We had 53 shots on goal. The team couldn’t score on Bob. The way he’s playing no one can.


      "We ran into a hot goalie" isn't an excuse you get to use when you have multiple 10m+ superstars in the forward core. When their backs are against the wall, those guys need to be the ones coming up with game winning goals.

      Maybe you got jobbed by the refs with the 2nd Reilly goal, but the Leafs knew they were playing with fire once they went down three games to none, calls break both ways and bad luck can happen, but the leafs put themselves into a position where a bad call could end the season.
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      13 mai 2023 à 15 h 44
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      Quoting: GiggywithGibby
      "We ran into a hot goalie" isn't an excuse you get to use when you have multiple 10m+ superstars in the forward core. When their backs are against the wall, those guys need to be the ones coming up with game winning goals.


      And they did against Tampa. Is everyone forgetting that already?
      13 mai 2023 à 15 h 47
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      Quoting: DougieGilmour
      And they did against Tampa. Is everyone forgetting that already?


      Is five post season victories really that much better than three when 16 is the expectation?
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