Not enough to dump Bailey. And not enough for DeBrincat.

Debrincat had a brutal season. Wingers are not worth more than young top pair RHD

Hawks pass. Dumping $5M in cap costs more than a 4th rounder

Zaitsev @ 4.5 in salary and cap for a year just netted the Hawks #44 OA and a future 4th rounder. Bailey is a half million more in cap and a million less in salary to take on which the way I do math is at the very least in the same ball park which a 4th is not. Isles hold #50 OA which would be the minimum ask for me. I would settle for a future 2nd, but probably want something like the future 4th they got in the Zaitsev deal.

The alternative is the Isles can shop Bailey and the 4th to one of the other less than a handful of teams with cap space and the resourse to basically buy a draft pick and the Hawks can use their cash and cap for better assets.

I would’ve been all over the DeBrincat-for-Dobson thing before the Sens for Chychrun

I can agree that it may cost more to move, however I figured Chicago may look for guys with 1 year left with some cap hit to ensure they hit the cap floor. It wont be very desirable for FAs to sign there this summer. Also Bailey is still somewhat serviceable, if he gets decent minutes I can see him putting up decent points to be a trade asset for Chicago to move at the 2024 deadline for another draft pick while retaining salary.

I feel like the Sens are still looking for another defensemen. The team wasnt enough this year to make playoffs. May not have the cap to upgrade since they must pay Debrincat 9 mil with QO. Dobson and Palmieri fit there roster composition while carrying 9 mil cap hit. However if Thomson and Bernard-Docker are ready for NHL than most likely never mind.

the ONLY way i can see NYI trade Dobson is if he does not wants to stay in NYI

Hawks can sign Domi for 2 or 3 years and Drouin for a year at 4 million and fill out every other roster spot with a rookie on an entry level deal and hit the cap floor. If not those 2, then plenty of those types you can throw some money at in hopes of a pump and dump at the deadline that give you better odds than Bailey of actually getting something.

You are correct. Hawks will be looking for one or two guys in the last year of their deals on a bad contract, but they'll only take on a player like that if they are fairly compensated. It probably takes a '24 or '25 2nd rounder to dump Bailey to the Hawks. He might have value at the TDL if he is able to produce again, but with the roster the Hawks have, he'd probably have to drive the play on his line, which really isn't his thing. Just a likely he plays out the season on the Hawks and walks to free agency

I wouldn't call his season "brutal". If they didn't expect an adjustment period and a likely decline in offensive production from a 24 year old who just had a baby and moved to a different country, among other predictable reasons, I don't know what to say. But, as far as RHD being "worth more", that is definitely a plausible argument. I just think with what they have invested in him, they aren't going to punt on him for a package like that, but it's possible. A big, agile, right shot, two way defenseman could solve some issues for OTT.

It’s not the production that im concerned about. Debrincat was a liability at even strength.

How you described Dobson is why the islanders wouldn’t give him up unless the package was an absurd overpay .this trade makes the isles worse

DCat is not going to be some 2 way Selke candidate he is a (pretty darn good) goal scoring winger and not much more.

Dobson on a very good deal for a couple seasons is the last piece the Islanders who have some cap gymnastics ahead of them this Summer are trading for DCat who is a RFA and has to be qualified based on his 9 million salary last season. Islanders would go from some cap concerns to cap hell in one fell swoop of this proposed trade. The purpose of moving Bailey's cap (which once again is not happening for a 4th) is to fill out a roster, which flipping Dobson for DCat would make even worse.

For sure. I guess I didn't watch enough of OTT this season to pass that kind of judgement and agree with you that he was "a liability". From what I did watch of OTT and what I gathered from OTT fans on the internet, it didn't seem like that was his fault. In CHI, he did everything from PP to PK, forechecking to backchecking, scoring and defense, throwing checks and sticking up for teammates. So, considering scoring is the biggest part of his game, he was pretty good at everything else too. I think what we saw from OTT was defensive, goaltending, and coaching deficiencies being exposed, as well as them being a very young team. And what we saw from Cat, specifically, was mismanagement of his skillset, a lack of chemistry, and a multitude of other obvious factors effecting his play. Not to mention, OTT was also missing their first line possession driving center the entire season, which, yeah luckily they had Stutzle, but one guy doesn't make up for all of that.

Either way, I'm not saying either team should do it. I'm saying they aren't going to give up on Cat this soon after what they paid for him. It would take a big overpayment, and Dobson probably wouldn't get it done, IMO.

In this situation the trade involves them signings Severson, very similar player. Dobson obviously has more upside but grabbing a high scoring winger and filling Dobsons void doesn't necessarily make them worse. Its Debrincat and Severson or Dobson and Palmieri

In a cap world, giving Debrincat 9 mill per has the potential to be a disaster. He hasn't shown he can produce at a high rate without Patrick Kane - and severson is already approaching 30 as Dobson is entering his prime. The isles would be better off using the extra 5 mill to add a player in addition to palmieri and dobson

Signings-wise - Engvall isn't taking a pay cut to stay in NY, and Mayfield isn't coming back on a second team-friendly deal like you have him doing here.

Bailey would cost more to dump than a 4th, and because of that cost I think it's better to eat the buyout penalty and keep the picks. Cal also a)isn't getting traded by Lou Lamoriello and b) isn't getting a 4th rounder as a soon-to-be 36 year old with his recent injury history.

I also don't think there's a much better team here. You've basically turned Palmieri & Dobson (at a $9.1M combined cap hit) into Debrincat and Severson ($14.1M). Simon Holmstrom doesn't really look like a 2nd line player yet, either, so any bonus you've got from turning Lee into Debrincat on line 1 really gets nerfed by turning Palmieri (and that fairly dominant Engvall-Nelson-Palms line) into Holmstrom. Roster is just too top-heavy, if anyone can match up against that top line it's going to be even harder for the middle-6 to carry this team than it has been this season.

Great points. I agree Bailey could cost more to move. I honestly don't think Engvall can ask for much more with only two 30 point seasons in his career. I agree Mayfield can want more, I like him at 3x2.5 mil without doing these trades. Since Sorokin is turning into a 60 game starter under Lambert. Could not sign Nedelijkovic and sign a guy like Zach Fucale to around league min and hope for a Phoenix Copley situation as a backup then give Mayfield more money. I truly believe in Simon Holmstrom as a player. Seems to have great poise with the puck and a great skater so thought him with Engvall and Nelson could have chemistry. I think in this situation every line has enough two-way game and scoring ability.