Think about the dach price. Now think about the fact that laffy is a number 1 pick with double the production

Rangers pass.

And zero chance in hell, Of Winnipeg taking a 1st round pick that's still 3 drafts away,

Dach has 97 points in 210 matchs and Alexis got 90 in 211.

Edmonton declines. You'll have to eat cap and send a pick to move Edmundson, but Edmonton isn't interested in taking cap dumps anyhow.

Drury says add this years 1st overall pick plus 3 more 1st round picks and then he will think about it.

No from Winnipeg. Considering Strudel has no value to Winnipeg and Kidney only a little, they can get more with a 23 draft pick most likely, elsewhere.

That pick is in 2024 if it's between 20-32. Pretty much the same as any other late 1st from a rental trade. The longer it takes to realize the pick, the better it gets. Up to an unprotected 1st in 2026 (and the better of two picks including Florida's) plus a 4th or 3rd added under certain conditions.

Adding a potential unprotected pick is the kind of long term gamble which can pay off huge. Especially for a team that isn't planning to tank hard and finish bottom 5.

But how many did he have before being traded?
Thats what establishes value , The Context of the Trade.
Revisionist history is a blight on society but on this forum it can easily be denied in house via their sources.

We just have to type in "kirby dach" and he had 59pts in 152 games for an 8% drop in production .
When we got him he was closer to Puljujarvi then Lafreniere

To be honest outside his point streak with caufield/suzuki he's kinda stalled out
I mean there's a ton of room for growth though but AI is worth more in any event.
I'd love to pretend otherwise but they have no motivation and all the leverage when it comes to a Trade.
Low Balling them just gets us laughed at and Hughes lost respect among his GM's

The pick says Calgary's 2025 1st not 2024 1st. So Winnipeg would reject.

This statement makes no sense. Is this science?

While I don't think this is a playoff team, at least the Habs will have NHL size!

Struble is a LD who played most of his NCAA career on Jordan Harris's Right Side due to lack of quality Right Shots on his team that was rebuilding after the Primeau Era at North Eastern .
Struble moving back from RD to LD he became better Defensively while being more Physically engaged but his offernsive output went down going from 50% to 65% chance of scoring year 1 and 2 .
Then moving back to LD he dropped to a 30-35% chance of scoring but much better numbers and playing more minutes with a greater role.

Dude's versitile , a Gym Freak and like Anderson he has the speed you can just flip on like a switch to start odd man Rushes
I never really trade him for a reason as Hughes Coaches him and MSL son so there's a personal connection i dont feel Hughes will move lightly.
I also dont trade him for the same reason i dont trade Xhekaj though as this kids incredible strong and a 2 sport athlete up until the draft for a reason as he's got tons of energy and i think ADHD lol


Really if anything i'd send you back a seasoned Kovacevic who 100% will take Demello's job in camp unlike last year.
That said 6'4 and as mobile as he is that's someone you wanna keep in house as he's found money .
Havent found a 6'4 Defensman this solid and massive since we found Chiarot on the UFA market for 3.5m and we got a 15th OA pick , Heineman , a 4th round pick and a SCF run outta him.
Probably just smarter to keep the big guy and play him .

Really what WPG needs MTL doesnt got outside Centers and Picks
Why include anything else i guess would be my question ?

How would you feel about Kidney , Ylonen and 15th OA pick.
Ylonen will be a sophomore coming off a decent year where he's just odd man out.
Kidney is a potential steal as he has a Suzuki like year with 7 pts already in 2 games i think Suzuki had like 42 in 24 games at just under 2pts a game average.
Kidney's just destroying people in the QMJHL , we'll see if he can make a Memorial Cup and do it vs other league's top guys but my bet is Yes.

15th OA pick got us Caufield in a draft close to this stacked because teams chose Defensman out of order from most of the Analysts projections for the Draft.
I cant remember if it was the year DET moved up 6 spots to take Seider in the top 10 or the years ARZ took Sodderberg almost 10 spots early.
Point is the 15th should land you a Moore , Sale or Dvorsky assuming atleast 2 Defensman are taken before the 15th OA pick

IF you think someone can pay more feel free to let me know who
CAR at this point was the last team you said and their fans are ok with bringing PLD for a late 1st ,late 2nd , R.Suzuki and a B level prospect of your choice.
But that was the highest i seen them go on posts so far since asking them about what they'd pay for PLD.
Most teams are willing to pay the quality isnt there as much as the Quantity is though so its a trade off

You are completely wrong sir. His best games were the last 10 before he got hurt. He was putting up goals and was playing Center better than Suzuki.

Colton Dach's cheaper and CHI is more willing to listen to moving him as he's a projected bottom 6 defensive shutdown Center as he doesnt have his brothers hands.
That's fine , we need Big Centers just as much as we need Skilled Centers right now.
Acquire Dach and sign PLD the year after and our Center Depth and forward Depth in general looks intimidating especially from a size POV with Two Dach's , Anderson , Gurianov , Slafkovsky , Armia , Xhekaj , Ghule and Kovacevic who are just our lad's who are 6'3 and 6'4 outside Monty and Eddy a Goalie and a 6'6 mountain of a man.

It reminds me of TOR when they asked a Veteran what made TOR Raptors Special or Different "Everyone is tall AF , Seriously like everyone by Fred is 6'9"
Well it feels the same way the has are building now , Everyone's 6'3 or 6'4 but like 3-4 guys under 6' and 3-4 guys 6ft to 6'2

It's not true. Almost all of the Habs good forward prospects are under 6'. Only Heinemann and Roy are 6'+...

"The French Connection" is spoken for.

RIP Rico and Rene

Going by his game log and the games he's been in this year i can say that isnt true.
Game 1-10 beside Monahan he had 6 pts in 10 games
Games 11 to 30 with Suzuki and Caufield he had 15 pts and 4 goals in 20 games
Games 31 to 50 without Monahan Dach was bounced between Center and Wing with games 32 ,33 , 36 -43 played with Suzuki /Caufield . Game 31,34, 44-50 played without them .
5 points in that span with and 5 points without with 1 game Dach played both lines evenly scoring without Caufield and Suzuki.
Games 51-63 where he had 6 pts in 8 games including a goal with Suzuki and 2 times being pulled off the roster due to IR in that time



Sites and sources below that will catch you up
But thats 6pts in 10 games with Monahan as Center , 21pts in 30 games with Suzuki as Center and 11pts in 18 games with Dach as Center .
Sounds great until you realize almost half his solo production came from 2 multi point games vs BOS

Not saying he's worse or better solo but your strament without any room for error has been thoroughly and completly proven as False with Sources to back it up

cs.unb.ca/~mwf/habs/forw_77KD.html
https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/dachki01/gamelog/2023/

Its like you dont read.

Go back , read the 2nd sentence i posted on the comment you're upset about.
You Clearly just Reworded what i said and acted as if i said there was no importance and gaining size .
I listed out Additions we still need on top of what we have.

So yeah anytime you say "not true" im just going to assume you didnt read the comment slowly and clearly

Sorry sir. There is more to a player than his offensive production. Dach was so much more noticeable for his physicality and creating offence and his defensive play those last 10 games. Stats don't tell the story here, but Dach is EVOLVING as a player before our eyes.

i didnt say there wasnt
You made an ignorant statement , i correct that statement
Dont put words in my mouth cause i fact checked you leaving you speachless

Just because you finally noticed what the Athletic covered when he was skating with Monahan those first 10 games he got 6 points and was top 10 in NHL OZ Entries.
Doesnt mean it just finally happened , just that enough players were injured for you to finally notice him maybe ?

I'm not sure what your problem is but I don't get mad on hockey forums but I also don't engage with people who communicate with me in a disrespectful tone. I have not done anything to deserve it and I always try to treat others as I expect to be treated. Please keep that in mind when communicating with me in the future if you really want to have a friendly conversation.

To clarify since you seem to feel you made some big point which I am still confused about: His last 11 games he had 9 points including 6 goals and 3 assists. That period was his best hockey of the year, the majority of it played as a center. The player I saw was a true 1st line Center in the making that I have not seen in a Habs uniform in years. It made me excited to see what he can do over a full season with complimentary and stable wingers.

I certainly did not make an ignorant statement. I made a statement of my opinion, but one that I feel most fans who follow the team and the games would agree with. At least every fan I know who I chat with personally, as well as analysts from the Athletic, the Sick Podcast, RDS, Sportsnet, TVA/BPM all seem to agree.

You make a comment going as far as to say "not true"
I prove to you it is true after you called me a liar without even a second though as if it means nothing .

Integrity and Respect matter when you address me .
Do whatever and say whatever to anyone else , not my problem.
Speaking Ignorantly to me or refuting a fact by calling me a liar instead of proving your opinion to be true.
Well i dont much care for that and will provide sources for why you're wrong (yes plural so you cant make some excuse about the source)

People Generally Debate in a Point versus Counter Point format acknowledging when they over step or are just outright wrong as you were.
If the shoe was on the other foot and you disproved my point with a game per game breakdown and sources to back them , i'd not make up some Bull**** to avoid admitting i was wrong.

I'd own it and Humble myself as i've had to do with OldNYIFan in the past , Hedman77 i believe it is and a few others .
That said they have enough Mutual Respect to conduct themselves in the same fashion no copping out or BS excuses for why they're not technically wrong.
Just owning it and an Evolution to their viewpoint or data.

But with you if you call me out and then i prove you wrong , suddenly im the bad guy for shattering your fable ?
I just dont see how thats fair . If you got too many posts going on at once your commenting on like i just checked and it appears to be .
Then just own that and say you got mixed up or confused to whatever .
But dont call me a liar twice then act surprised when i thoroughly prove im not with quotes , figures and facts backed by links with verifiable sources.
I dont get mad and name call i just quote Facts and Sources proving why im right

I Read this "Well it feels the same way the has are building now , Everyone's 6'3 or 6'4 but like 3-4 guys under 6' and 3-4 guys 6ft to 6'2" ... I assumed the same way the has are building now to be the same way the habs are building now. No they are not building with 6'0 - 6'4 prospects.

Caufield
Farrell
RHP
Kidney
Beck
Mesar
Simoneau
Guindon
Rohrer

All of them are pretty small by NHL standards. Hopefully you don't think this is "an ignorant statement".

That's nice and all about Strudel, but as an LHD he is the very last thing Winnipeg needs and holds zero value to the Jets. Kovacevic is waiver fodder, zero value.

The problem with a Montreal deal, is that Montreal doesn't have any A prospects (guys with top 6F or top 4D potential. They're all B or lower (B is top 9F, top 6D). So if you want to package a B/C level prospect with the first, you would need a better roster player coming back, which isn't Ylonen, to go along with that 1st.

That's why I personally don't want the Jets trading with Montreal. They don't really have anything that Winnipeg needs. It's not going to be a package of what Montreal fans think no longer has any value or potential to be anything and they want to dump.

It's just easier for the Jets to go elsewhere and get pieces they need or want.

Once we find out where all the picks land we'll get a little better picture and once the playoffs are over and we have some happy and sad teams, well have even more info, so that should help.