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Things are looking up with Dubois and Dach

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Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
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13 févr. 2023 à 18 h 19
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Beck and the first are a good start, but unlikely the Jets wait 3 drafts for a major part of the deal. They'd probably opt for a closer to ready prospect or another 23 pick. But at least you're approaching the value required.
13 févr. 2023 à 18 h 22
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Beck and the first are a good start, but unlikely the Jets wait 3 drafts for a major part of the deal. They'd probably opt for a closer to ready prospect or another 23 pick. But at least you're approaching the value required.


I really hope they get a deal like this one done, cause this Habs team looks pretty good to me, at least in the top 6.
13 févr. 2023 à 18 h 28
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Harvey Pinard worth 4.5
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13 févr. 2023 à 18 h 28
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WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? PLEASE, explain to me this obsession EVERY Habs fan has with getting PLD. What Am I missing here? I am a Habs fan just in case you are wondering. I just do NOT get it. WHY Does everyone want him? Do Habs fan understand that we are rebuilding and building from within, building a solid foundation, and you want to give up on the future for a whiney, sooky me first player? Why Because he is french and talented? So is Drouin, look how great that worked out for us. Knock off the S H ! T about Dubois, come up with something else.
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13 févr. 2023 à 18 h 31
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WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? PLEASE, explain to me this obsession EVERY Habs fan has with getting PLD. What Am I missing here? I am a Habs fan just in case you are wondering. I just do NOT get it. WHY Does everyone want him? Do Habs fan understand that we are rebuilding and building from within, building a solid foundation, and you want to give up on the future for a whiney, sooky me first player? Why Because he is french and talented? So is Drouin, look how great that worked out for us. Knock off the S H ! T about Dubois, come up with something else.


Have you seen him this year? He's 24. Look at Dach and how that is working out. Cause he's a PPG center and we don't have one. Not Dach, not Suzuki. This accelerates the rebuild. I think this team has a decent shot at a playoff berth.
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Harvey Pinard worth 4.5


Maybe he will be.
13 févr. 2023 à 18 h 33
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Harvey Pinard worth 4.5


Maybe not 4.5, but unless he completely loses his play in the rest of the year, I think he is getting like 2.5 X 1 year, then maybe another 3.5 5 years
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13 févr. 2023 à 18 h 34
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Quoting: Armchair75
WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? PLEASE, explain to me this obsession EVERY Habs fan has with getting PLD. What Am I missing here? I am a Habs fan just in case you are wondering. I just do NOT get it. WHY Does everyone want him? Do Habs fan understand that we are rebuilding and building from within, building a solid foundation, and you want to give up on the future for a whiney, sooky me first player? Why Because he is french and talented? So is Drouin, look how great that worked out for us. Knock off the S H ! T about Dubois, come up with something else.


6 letter last name that starts with a D and both had problems with management/coaching.

Maybe this time it will turn out better though. He does fill a need down the middle, but if Dach can improve in the circle, then I don't think there should be any interest. It does seem like Hughes wants to bring in more Quebecois players since the last couple of years they barely had any.
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WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? PLEASE, explain to me this obsession EVERY Habs fan has with getting PLD.


Not me. Unless its via FA
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13 févr. 2023 à 18 h 38
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WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? PLEASE, explain to me this obsession EVERY Habs fan has with getting PLD. What Am I missing here? I am a Habs fan just in case you are wondering. I just do NOT get it. WHY Does everyone want him? Do Habs fan understand that we are rebuilding and building from within, building a solid foundation, and you want to give up on the future for a whiney, sooky me first player? Why Because he is french and talented? So is Drouin, look how great that worked out for us. Knock off the S H ! T about Dubois, come up with something else.


Because PLD is better than Suzuki.
13 févr. 2023 à 18 h 39
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Not me. Unless its via FA


Gorton didn't wait for Trouba to hit FA.

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Maybe not 4.5, but unless he completely loses his play in the rest of the year, I think he is getting like 2.5 X 1 year, then maybe another 3.5 5 years


He would sign any 1-way contract, even under 1M
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13 févr. 2023 à 18 h 40
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Gorton didn't wait for Trouba to hit FA.


The top 6 in 2 years will be good enough to not need to spend assets on PLD
13 févr. 2023 à 18 h 43
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The top 6 in 2 years will be good enough to not need to spend assets on PLD


We could also lose him to another team in FA.
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We could also lose him to another team in FA.


Then be it, it's not the end of the world.

We have Suzuki, Caufield, Slaf, and Dach next year as top 6 guarantees, MTL 1st 2023, Beck, Farrell, Roy, RHP who could be top 6 players very soon as well. Caufield is better than PLD no question, and Dach is getting dangerously close. Suzuki, we'll see, but he could be better as well. No crucial need for PLD imo
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We could also lose him to another team in FA.


Insane that people think he's not signing a long term extension with a team this year. He is having a career-best season. He's not putting it at risk to get low-balled by the Habs in 2024.
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13 févr. 2023 à 18 h 49
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Because PLD is better than Suzuki.


I would say they are different players. But IMO Suzuki will be the best 2nd line Center we've ever had and that's just fine.
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Then be it, it's not the end of the world.

We have Suzuki, Caufield, Slaf, and Dach next year as top 6 guarantees, MTL 1st 2023, Beck, Farrell, Roy, RHP who could be top 6 players very soon as well. Caufield is better than PLD no question, and Dach is getting dangerously close. Suzuki, we'll see, but he could be better as well. No crucial need for PLD imo


Caufield is not a better player than Dubois lol.
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13 févr. 2023 à 18 h 54
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Then be it, it's not the end of the world.

We have Suzuki, Caufield, Slaf, and Dach next year as top 6 guarantees, MTL 1st 2023, Beck, Farrell, Roy, RHP who could be top 6 players very soon as well. Caufield is better than PLD no question, and Dach is getting dangerously close. Suzuki, we'll see, but he could be better as well. No crucial need for PLD imo


There is no 6'3 LW/C available 11-15th in this draft who could help this team in an impactful way over the next 2 seasons. Suzuki is a good player who is getting better, but he's not a game-breaker at 5-on-5. PLD and Dach may actually be the centers and Suzuki could potentially move to wing.
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Caufield is not a better player than Dubois lol.


He's def a better scorer... But better player... Not yet, maybe in 2-3 years.
13 févr. 2023 à 19 h 11
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Then be it, it's not the end of the world.

We have Suzuki, Caufield, Slaf, and Dach next year as top 6 guarantees, MTL 1st 2023, Beck, Farrell, Roy, RHP who could be top 6 players very soon as well. Caufield is better than PLD no question, and Dach is getting dangerously close. Suzuki, we'll see, but he could be better as well. No crucial need for PLD imo


I agree with you. But adding Dubois would allow MTL to have a quality top 9 with Dubois, Suzuki and Dach as centers and all the wingers you mentionned.

With all the ELC coming, i think MTL could afford that top 9 for a long time.
13 févr. 2023 à 19 h 52
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Then be it, it's not the end of the world.

We have Suzuki, Caufield, Slaf, and Dach next year as top 6 guarantees, MTL 1st 2023, Beck, Farrell, Roy, RHP who could be top 6 players very soon as well. Caufield is better than PLD no question, and Dach is getting dangerously close. Suzuki, we'll see, but he could be better as well. No crucial need for PLD imo


slaf played bottom line this year, nothing is guaranted for him next year.
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I really hope they get a deal like this one done, cause this Habs team looks pretty good to me, at least in the top 6.


Yeah, other than having Anderson up on the 1st line, it looks pretty good.
13 févr. 2023 à 20 h 19
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Yeah, other than having Anderson up on the 1st line, it looks pretty good.


Anderson and Dubois had chemistry back in Columbus. I'd give it a shot!
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Anderson and Dubois had chemistry back in Columbus. I'd give it a shot!


Ah, okay. I see where you're going.
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Have you seen him this year? He's 24. Look at Dach and how that is working out. Cause he's a PPG center and we don't have one. Not Dach, not Suzuki. This accelerates the rebuild. I think this team has a decent shot at a playoff berth.


Yes I have seen him play THIS year, playing with a lot of skilled players. He still hasnt cracked 30 goals, (should this season), hasnt scored 65 points, but I could careless about his production. He had issues with coaching in Columbus, he was played he would go on the ice and not do anything, it got so bad he ended up benched, THATS the kind of attitude you want on the team, or does the fact he is french make your jeans tight? He came to Jets, he informs Management, who gave up a LOT to get him, that he has NO intentions of signing an extension with them, after they gave him an out, THATS the loyalty he shows? He is a UFA in a year, but habs fans wanna trade first round picks and prospects for a whiney french kid? No thank you.....He will probably walk in a year, so then ya out the picks and prospects and No Dubois....Not worth the gamble to me. I hope Dubois has a good career....Difference with Dach and Dubois, Dach didnt whine or sook to be traded. I just have NO interest in Dubois.
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