The difference here is:
Nylander>>>>>>>>>>>Andersson, it's not funny and Calgary's search for a top 6 wing is so much higher than the Leafs need for another Tyson Barrie who might not be the same since injury. To add, Rielly hasn't fully recovered whereas Huberdeau played the entire season.

Can you say that without making completely delusional trade offers?

You say things like "Huberdeau in negative value" yet he is one of the best defensive forwards in the league this year. Just like both Gaudreau and Tkachuk, they learned to play defense under Sutter first and then exploded offensively

That may be one of the funniest questions ever may I use it?

But he does. That's the truth. Making 10.5 million comes with high expectations. Leafs fans know better than most. Being defensively responsible is the bare minimum.

If someone is holding a gun to their head the answer is yes.

I mean I wouldn't trade Ras straight up for Nylander so clearly you are just bias. Just like how I said for 3 years that Tkachuk was just as good as Marner (and obviously I was right after last year and this years results) Im confident in saying Ras is worth just as much, especially when you factor in cap hit and term. The fact that you compare Ras to Tyson Barrie is crazy considering one plays in all situations and 25 minutes a night while the other spends a quarter of his ice time on the powerplay

Andersson on the Leafs would be a point behind Bunting (5th) in scoring, he'd be 2nd in +/-, leading the team in ice time, under contract until 2026, cap hit 4.55, he's become an untouchable with how he's played this season. The Flames don't have the horses to make Nylander as good as he is in Toronto.

That's closer to a reasonable return obviously, again though, Huberdeau to the Flames is worth the time, if he's back to even career averages next season (0.89ppg) he's worth more to Calgary at the start of an 8 year deal than what they would get for him in a trade. Especially with the way the Flames project for the next few years, Lucic, Lewis, Ritchie will be replaces with Zary's, Pelletier's, Coronato's etc.

I don't know if you watch hockey at all really.. The only similarity in Andersson and Barrie's games is their cap hit.

Lol ok so a guy with 4 years in a row of well over a PPG is just suddenly worthless? Maybe watch him play hockey, he's still one of the best passers in the league without question

Andersson is like Barrie but bigger. I wouldn't do Nylander for Ras and you 2024 first but whatever, I'm just biased about Nylander. Saying Tkachuk is better than Marner is like saying Matthews is better than Mcdavid as in: if you like flashy, offensive minded players, Marner and Mcdavid clear but if you want a complete player, Matthews and Tkachuk are better than their piers. If you want to correct me, reread this post and you know what you prioritize

"negative value"



The Flames have been super unlucky this year - the only teams with a worse PDO than them are Columbus, LA, Anaheim, and Ottawa. If Huberdeau can bounce back next year to even half of the offensive value he had last year, he's easily a 3.0 GSVA player - something that lines up perfectly with a $10.5M AAV. Paying to dump him before that extension kicks in would be so incredibly shortsighted that I can't imagine an actual NHL GM even considering this type of trade.

and how they play and the fact that they play PP1 and that they aren't good at playing defence and that they are both not first pairing defensemen and they aren't anywhere near Nylander's value

Yanni Gourde scored 10 goals in the 19/20 season imagine how badly it would have been if the lightning decided he has negative value because he didn't score a goal from early November until late February and just dumped him like you're suggesting Calgary do. Are you trying to convince yourself or anyone else because don't see many buying the scam your selling.

Yanni Gourde is in a different category than Huberdeau. He has leeway. But when a guy makes 10+million a year then the team can't afford to be patient imo.

So guys don't go through adjustment periods going from a Q system to a Daryl Sutter system? He's making 5.9 this year.

I really can't tell if this is a joke or not. A guy who has averaged 0.89 ppg prior to this season has "negative value" and the only possible way the Leafs could be enticed to take on his services is to be compensated with a top pair defenceman on a steal of a contract. Elite level bait for sure.

That's a bet the Flames are making. Maybe they will turn out to be right.

It doesn't matter what he did on Florida. On Calgary he isn't working out, plus he has a huge extension. Flames will have to pay to move him. That is, if his game doesn't rebound next year, which is a big question mark.

Feel free, sir. Spread it far and wide, so that my words shall live on.

So we should just ignore 10 seasons and trade him based off of 50 games? It's literally been been half a season... I think he'll figure it out eventually

Yes.. you didn't realize that it's a trade to the Leafs?! If a guy is having a career poor year, they'll do us a favour by taking a top pairing D man, top prospect and a 1st and let him bounce back in Toronto!

You have 1m, here and the cap goes up 1m, so that's Samsonov's money. Guessing you want to trade/buyout Murray which would more or less cover Huberdeau's cap increase. So, I guess for next year the money could work, so I was wrong about that.

I still don't think Huberdeau would be a better fit than Nylander but maybe I'm wrong, however, I'm certain that the Leafs wouldn't be getting Huberdeau+all that in a trade.
The problem though is your trade is replicate the Tkachuk trade but the major differences that you overlooked are:

1) The Tkachuk trade is one of a kind, it was considered the best offer by far by Treliving. Just because he accepted that package for Tkachuk, doesn't mean he s willing to offer it for him or another player.
2) Huberdeau and Andersson have term (vs Huberdeau and Weegar), and they are going to be more valuable than if they were on expiring deals. If Huberdeau has absolutely no value, then there is no merit for Toronto to move out Nylander to acquire him.
3) Nylander and Andersson are the same age (Tkachuk is younger than Weegar)
4) CGY can afford to keep Andersson (Florida couldn't afford to keep Weegar beyond this season which is why they were willing to add him as a throw-in)
5) CGY has no cost certainty with Nylander, they can't talk to him about an extension until next season. (Flr knew how much Tkachuk was going to cost). Nylander will be a ufa after his deal, so that can't be overlooked.

Pretty sure they told you where they're laying their money with that extension. This is an utterly delusionally homerish return in Toronto's favor.