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Players who can demand a 1st

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Date de création initiale: 8 févr. 2023
Publié: 8 févr. 2023
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This is a roster of players that in the right circumstance, can demand a first. Some of these players are more likely to be dealt than others, but with these players a first can be in play.
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
21125 000 000 $89 606 250 $0 $0 $35 393 750 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
6 100 000 $6 100 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
2 625 000 $2 625 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
1 875 000 $1 875 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Ducks d'Anaheim
1 456 250 $1 456 250 $
AG, C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
2 375 000 $2 375 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Blue Jackets de Columbus
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
4 425 000 $4 425 000 $
C
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
4 600 000 $4 600 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
875 000 $875 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
2 725 000 $2 725 000 $
G
UFA - 3
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Predators de Nashville
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 4
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
UFA - 4
Logo de Blue Jackets de Columbus
2 800 000 $2 800 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
10 000 000 $10 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5

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8 févr. 2023 à 9 h 41
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I'd say Anderson is misplaced here but there are definitely GMs dumb enough to do that. I'd include Severson on this list.
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8 févr. 2023 à 9 h 41
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Interesting, but I don't know how well McCabe has been playing, but I don't see him worth a first, unless if he's been really good this year.
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8 févr. 2023 à 9 h 41
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What's the appeal of Joel Edmundson exactly?
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8 févr. 2023 à 9 h 42
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Not sure about oreilly, Henrique, Perron and Edmundson. On the fence with toews and gavrikov
8 févr. 2023 à 9 h 44
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Henrique, Toews (b/c of cap hit) & Bertuzzi don’t return a 1st imo but otherwise sounds about right.
You’ve listed 21 players but <10 teams will (should) be willing to part with their 1st rounders - will be an interesting TDL. If only the artificially low cap wasn’t blocking so much potential activity
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8 févr. 2023 à 9 h 46
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Quoting: OldBoisClubSandwich
What's the appeal of Joel Edmundson exactly?


Edmundson BIG. BIG good! 👺
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8 févr. 2023 à 9 h 52
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
Edmundson BIG. BIG good! 👺

Quoting: OldBoisClubSandwich
What's the appeal of Joel Edmundson exactly?

It's the same thing as Chiarot.
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8 févr. 2023 à 10 h 0
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I’m sure a GM would bc big = good but for various reasons I’d have a really hard time wrapping my head around sending a first for Perron Bert Anderson Edmunson ROR Toews. I guess if you start throwing retention in the argument gets easier but I’d still be on the fence.
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8 févr. 2023 à 10 h 29
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I’m sure a GM would bc big = good but for various reasons I’d have a really hard time wrapping my head around sending a first for Perron Bert Anderson Edmunson ROR Toews. I guess if you start throwing retention in the argument gets easier but I’d still be on the fence.


A lot of fans of non playoff teams tend to:
1/ overvalue their players
2/ forget that leverage works both ways; a lot of these players can leave as FA so there is pressure on gms to get something for them

For a lot of reasons (lots of impact players likely available, limited cap space amongst contenders), I think (hope 🤞) it’ll be a buyer’s market .
Wings fans (in particular) seem to think if they don’t get the return they want, that can just extend their pending FAs. Pretty sure it doesn’t work that way - most players test FA rather than accept extension this late in the game
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8 févr. 2023 à 10 h 32
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just extend their pending FAs. Pretty sure it doesn’t work that way - most players test FA rather than accept extension this late in the game


Sometimes it happens that way (Filip Forsberg), but not that often.
8 févr. 2023 à 10 h 34
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Henrique, Toews (b/c of cap hit) & Bertuzzi don’t return a 1st imo but otherwise sounds about right.
You’ve listed 21 players but <10 teams will (should) be willing to part with their 1st rounders - will be an interesting TDL. If only the artificially low cap wasn’t blocking so much potential activity


All depends if there are other pieces involved, i.e Toews and a 3rd/4th for a 1st
8 févr. 2023 à 10 h 35
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Quoting: vikhodush
I’m sure a GM would bc big = good but for various reasons I’d have a really hard time wrapping my head around sending a first for Perron Bert Anderson Edmunson ROR Toews. I guess if you start throwing retention in the argument gets easier but I’d still be on the fence.


ROR deserves a first. All these guys could get a first, and it wouldn't be so unrealistic.
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8 févr. 2023 à 10 h 36
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Anderson and Toews should not be getting 1st rounders as part of a return.

Anderson should have negative value to be honest, but 90% of NHL GMs are idiots.

Toews should fetch a 3rd rounder at most. He sucks now.
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8 févr. 2023 à 10 h 37
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Quoting: MitchJr
A lot of fans of non playoff teams tend to:
1/ overvalue their players
2/ forget that leverage works both ways; a lot of these players can leave as FA so there is pressure on gms to get something for them

For a lot of reasons (lots of impact players likely available, limited cap space amongst contenders), I think (hope 🤞) it’ll be a buyer’s market .
Wings fans (in particular) seem to think if they don’t get the return they want, that can just extend their pending FAs. Pretty sure it doesn’t work that way - most players test FA rather than accept extension this late in the game


The only guy who I think will resign is Larkin. I have a feeling he will bend to Stevie Y & will be a Wing for life.
8 févr. 2023 à 10 h 38
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Quoting: PenGoater99
Anderson and Toews should not be getting 1st rounders as part of a return.

Anderson should have negative value to be honest, but 90% of NHL GMs are idiots.

Toews should fetch a 3rd rounder at most. He sucks now.


On ArmChair GM, if you don't trade any of these guys for a first, its considered a hard no from those teams fans lol.
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8 févr. 2023 à 10 h 39
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Quoting: MitchJr
A lot of fans of non playoff teams tend to:
1/ overvalue their players
2/ forget that leverage works both ways; a lot of these players can leave as FA so there is pressure on gms to get something for them

For a lot of reasons (lots of impact players likely available, limited cap space amongst contenders), I think (hope 🤞) it’ll be a buyer’s market .
Wings fans (in particular) seem to think if they don’t get the return they want, that can just extend their pending FAs. Pretty sure it doesn’t work that way - most players test FA rather than accept extension this late in the game


Yep, totally agree. I think it trending more towards a buyers market like you mentioned is an important factor, especially paired with limited cap space amongst the teams looking for upgrades.

Also, something not mentioned too much is NTC/NMC protection from some players on or off of this list. We’ve seen it play out in the past that returns are limited bc a player only wants to go to a certain team (recent examples are Giroux and Hall).
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8 févr. 2023 à 10 h 42
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ROR deserves a first. All these guys could get a first, and it wouldn't be so unrealistic.


Yeah, they could. But I think a lot of it will depend on amount of players available versus demand (trending towards a buyers market) and even if a first is sent for these guys it probably won’t be black and white. For example if I’m sending a first for ROR I’m probably expecting full retention or there are other pieces thrown in from both sides to tamp down the value.

It’s all semantics I guess. We’ll see how it plays out.
8 févr. 2023 à 10 h 43
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Definitely 1st: Meier, Larkin, Konecny, Chychrun, Ekholm, Demko

1st with retention: Kane, Karlsson, Toews

Maybe 1st: Tarasenko, Bennett, Jenner, Gavrikov, Vejmelka

Bubble 1st/2nd: O'Reilly, Henrique

Probably 2nd: Bertuzzi, Perron, McCabe, Edmundson

Less with retention: Anderson
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8 févr. 2023 à 10 h 44
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Definitely 1st: Meier, Larkin, Konecny, Chychrun, Ekholm, Demko

1st with retention: Kane, Karlsson, Toews

Maybe 1st: Tarasenko, Bennett, Jenner, Gavrikov, Vejmelka

Bubble 1st/2nd: O'Reilly, Henrique

Probably 2nd: Bertuzzi, Perron, McCabe, Edmundson

Less with retention: Anderson


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8 févr. 2023 à 10 h 51
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Bertuzzi, Henrique, Toews, and Vajlmelka doesn't get a first
8 févr. 2023 à 11 h 11
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Quoting: MitchJr
A lot of fans of non playoff teams tend to:
1/ overvalue their players
2/ forget that leverage works both ways; a lot of these players can leave as FA so there is pressure on gms to get something for them

For a lot of reasons (lots of impact players likely available, limited cap space amongst contenders), I think (hope 🤞) it’ll be a buyer’s market .
Wings fans (in particular) seem to think if they don’t get the return they want, that can just extend their pending FAs. Pretty sure it doesn’t work that way - most players test FA rather than accept extension this late in the game


Translation... the Detroit Red Wings are living rent free inside my head.
8 févr. 2023 à 11 h 13
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Quoting: Sharkie69
Sometimes it happens that way (Filip Forsberg), but not that often.


Or Stamkos. Wonder who his GM was? 🤔
8 févr. 2023 à 11 h 15
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Best C Rental: OReilly
Best W Rental: Meier
Best D Rental: Gavrikov (though Schenn will have a lot of interest and may end up the top pick simply because there will be more teams able to fit him in)
There's no rental G on the market that will return a 1st.

I'm taking into account Toews/Kane's and Larkin's apparent reluctance to leave their teams and trade protections limiting the market for several players.

I don't think we will see many players with term moved. There are a couple potential big trades that have been percolating (and Meier falls into both categories). Chychrun may finally move, but the rest aren't really deadline moves.

Everyone else will likely be a hockey trade, prospect as the main piece, or a 2nd+ at best.
8 févr. 2023 à 11 h 20
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There are a number of players on this list that get a 1st ONLY if there is retention.

No one is paying a first for McCabe, Anderson, Toews etc without retention. I realize that the retention may be required to facilitate the trade, but the players aren't worth it by themselves (less of a big deal on UFAs--expected to retain)
 
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