Well buffalo obviously won't do that

What don't you like about it? Nothing you gave was constructive. Many rumors have Buffalo tied to Dumba, Edmundson and a huge splash in Chychrun. Dumba could be a very easy resign and play on the bottom 4 for your team for the next 6 years. Minnesota is loaded with defense prospects and in cap hell otherwise we wouldn't be trading him.

I'm sorry that Dumba deal is horrendous

Dumba isn't interesting. Buffalo can use those assets for a better return

What rumors?

Buffalo isn't trading an unprotected 1st and a great prospect for an overrated expiring UFA

So that's a pretty big overpayment for Dumba. A middle pairing defenseman on an expiring contract, you could possibly pry out a conditional 1st from someone. Definitely not a 1st and a very good prospect like Ostlund. Dumba just simply isn't worth that.

A bit of an overpayment for Knies, but honestly I'd make that deal to get Knies to the Wild. Hartman is a good player on a very cheap contract though, it'll be impossible to replace what he brings for that little money. So Guerin probably isn't interested in that one.

I think Greenway gets more than that. Still relatively young and has some traits that GM's would go bananas for (size and strength). Having a down year this year, but there would be enough GM's willing to take the chance on him, I think he'd get a 2nd or equivalent prospect/roster player, depending on how Guerin wanted to go.

For meier- sure. For chychrun- maybe. For dumba- not even close. Just because a team has a bunch of good prospects doesn't mean they will just throw them away on stuff.

Dumba falling badly in his contract year.He’s now a 3 million dollar 3rd pairing at best. Sad but very PK

That it’s absolutely terrible for Buffalo probably. I mean, you certainly wouldn’t do Lambos and a 2nd for Girgensons just because you have many D prospects would you? Didn’t think so. But that’s on par with Dumba’s on ice value. He’s been pretty brutal this year

I'd assume the Dumba trade comes with an extension. I think teams trading for him would want to negotiate an extension before making the trade. The lowest mock trade I read was the Toews trade from the Islanders to the Avs where they sent two 2nds rounders to the Islanders. The highest comp trade I saw was the Ristolainen trade that send a 1st, 2nd and Robert Hagg. I don't think Dumba gets this even with an extension. Ben Chiarot fetched a 1st, 4th and Tyler Smilanic. I also don't think he gets this haul either. I think a first rounder that sits 20th position or higher and a prospect for a guy that can be a rental or sign long term on a 4 million cap hit isn't a bad thing.

On the Hartman trade, I see Duhaime, Greenway, Foligno and Hartman as the same fit on the roster. I think trading for Knies gives us an option next to Boldy next year. That can become your second line and take more minutes from the GREEF line. I see that as a win-win trade for both clubs. I know Toronto doesn't want to trade him but Hartman on his cap hit and play all over the roster would be a huge add for them over the next 2 years.

Leafs pass, Hartman doesn't get you Knies

1st and a prospect isn't out of line, as long as that prospect isn't someone like Noah Ostlund. That would be like trading a 1st and Ohgren for him, really. And that's just too much. I would say like a Josh Bloom, maybe Alexander Kisakov, and then a lottery protected 1st would be what you're looking at if a team really liked Dumba.

Depends on the situation the team is in. I never say no to a trade and look at it more in depth. I think Lambos could be good, but he's still young and hasn't proven anything yet and a 2nd doesn't do anything for me right now. So I look at the Dumba trade as this, the guy has been on the trade block for 5 years now. His contract is up and is very unlikely to be resigned. The trade deadline is coming and he knows he is gone, I think he plays much better when he is traded. Imagine being in a situation where you are talked about being fired every day no matter what you do for that company. I'm not saying he will be a 50 point scorer again but he certain is capable of playing Top 4 minutes in this league. On a Cup team hes a stud bottom pairing guy and plays in all situations.

Savoie, Kulich and Ostlund haven't proven anything yet at a pro level. I'm not saying people shouldn't be excited about them or protect them but they still haven't done anything at the AHL/NHL level. Of those 3 Ostlund is seen as the lesser of the three. I picked him because of that and a 1st that will be 20th - 25th in this years draft. Sorry if the value is off a bit but honestly Buffalo's window has been pushed up because the team has come together so well. You guys are a scary looking roster. I'm glad you guys have bounced back so well, because that Eichel situation was no fun for anyone and you deserve a good team. Hope to see you do well in the playoffs and will probably be the team I root for if the Wild don't make it.

Buffalo won't be anywhere near the lottery this year so sure add that in because it doesn't worry me this year if I was Buffalo. They are playing so damn well they are going to the playoffs

Buffalo’s window has been pushed up. That doesn’t mean they should trade for a severely declining to the point of being bad hockey players just because. That’s significantly more than over a PPG center in Horvat just went for. I get it, you’re not a prospect guy. But if the “max” you’ve seen for Dumba is a Risto return, this is already more than that.

The 1st will be lower in the draft, Raty is a better prospect than Ostlund and AB is just under a half point per game player. The Canucks got much more than this and they should have for Horvat. What do you suggest the trade be. I can give you links to experts that do this for a living and are smarter than you and I combine when it comes to hockey that says that Buffalo is interested in Dumba. So make a proposal to me and see where it goes. I think Caerii was closest on their trade proposal which is a proected 1st and a prospect like Bloom or Kisakov. I don't like those prospects because they don't fill a need we have in any way but we get a 1st and a body.

Dubas highly values Knies. He won't be moved unless the Leafs receive a young top six player or a star in his prime. Hartman is neither.

This is how I know you don’t know much about prospects. Ostland taken at 16 vs Raty taken in the second round after being projected to go first overall for many years leading to the draft. Raty did very little in professional leagues in Europe. Is barely a half ppg player (nothing to sneeze at, but not great either). AB is a bottom six guy with limited offense. Also there’s no way of thinking Buffalo first will be in the 20s. It could be, could also be as low as 12? All for a bad player in Dumba. It was a bad proposal, it’s ok to just move on instead of doubling down on it.

Dumba with an extension may be worth less

Leafs decline

Makes sense to

Look at all the **** comments in here about Dumba being a crap player. So stupid.

I would honestly rather have McCabe from Chicago, and he wouldn't cost anywhere near that much.

McCabe is the PERFECT target for us imo
1- he knows Buffalo already & likes it here
2- he’d stabilize the 3rd pair & is good enough to move up the lineup if Power or Samuelsson were to get injured
3- like u said, won’t cost a ton to get- maybe a 2nd

Adams should definitely look into this imo
Good post