Timo trades that actually fit SJ needs

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Créé par: glarson17

Équipe: 2022-23 Sharks de San Jose

Date de création initiale: 25 janv. 2023

Publié: 25 janv. 2023

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These are trades that I would like for Timo should he be moved. Timo is a high end asset with team control. Don’t care about your “but his qualifying offer” Bull. He’s worth it. Look up any player card and it shows.

He didn’t score a goal in his first 9 games this season. Since then he has been on a .70 goals per game pace or a 57 goal pace over 82 games since.

He is really good at hockey

Transactions

SJS

Minten, Fraser
Niemelä, Topi
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)

Détails additionnels:

I don’t see Toronto being a realistic option for Timo, not sure they can afford him long term and sharks will try and maximize his return.

TOR

Meier

SJS

Jones, Zachary
Othmann, Brennan
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NYR)

Détails additionnels:

I don’t really see a trade that fits the sharks needs with the rangers that’s actually worth giving up Timo.

Maybe if a trade had Schneider or Chytil involved but I don’t see NYR moving either.

NYR

Meier

SJS

Johnson, Ryan [Liste de réserve]
Östlund, Noah
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (BUF)

Détails additionnels:

Top 10 protected pick

Could be Savoie or Kulich as the prospect. Chose ostlund because he is the safest prospect of the three I think. Sharks are notoriously bad for developing players I chose the safe player.

Johnson is one of those players who may walk to ufa, would be useful for San Jose.

BUF

Meier

SJS

Morrow, Scott [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CAR)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (CAR)

Détails additionnels:

Has to be a high end player coming back, that 1st is likely very late.

Could be Nikishin; I’ve even seen Jarvis thrown out but I don’t see the canes giving him up and he doesn’t fit the sharks immediate needs.

CAR

Meier

SJS

Détails additionnels:

I see many agm showing sharangovich going back but I don’t see how they move a young player when in a buying state.

Could be so many different high end pieces coming back (Holtz, Nemec, Casey, Muk)

No miles wood is not a high end piece so don’t even start there. Neither is Bahl or Boqvist or Walsh

NJD

Meier
Reimer

SJS

Räty, Aatu
Salo, Robin
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NYI)

Détails additionnels:

I don’t think San Jose would be interested in Dufour. He’s an undersized winger which they already have a ton of. Center is what they need.

NYI

Meier

SJS

Heinola, Ville
McGroarty, Rutger [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (WPG)

Détails additionnels:

McGroarty seems like a Grier kind of guy. Tough, good leader, and of course plays ncaa hockey which he loves.

WPG

Meier

Rachats de contrats

Martin Jones: 2 416 667 $
Rūdolfs Balcers: 8 334 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Brent Burns: 2 720 000 $ (34%)

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
34	82 500 000 $	86 181 669 $	0 $	1 545 000 $	-3 681 669 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Meier, Timo 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Hertl, Tomas 6 750 000 $6 750 000 $ C NMC UFA - 8	Labanc, Kevin 4 725 000 $4 725 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
Lindblom, Oskar 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AG UFA - 2	Couture, Logan 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 5	Barabanov, Alexander 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 2
Gregor, Noah 950 000 $950 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 1	Bonino, Nick 1 025 000 $1 025 000 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 1	Eyssimont, Michael 750 000 $750 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1
Nieto, Matt 850 000 $850 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Sturm, Nico 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ C UFA - 3	Holtz, Alexander 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD, AG RFA - 3
Gadjovich, Jonah 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Lorentz, Steven 1 050 000 $1 050 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 2
Svechnikov, Evgeny 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Minten, Fraser 875 000 $875 000 $ C, AG RFA - 4
Othmann, Brennan 894 167 $894 167 $ AG RFA - 4	Östlund, Noah 950 000 $950 000 $ C RFA - 4
	Räty, Aatu 836 667 $836 667 $ (82 500 $$82K) C RFA - 3

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Vlasic, Marc-Édouard 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ DG/DD NMC UFA - 4	Karlsson, Erik 10 000 000 $10 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 5	Kähkönen, Kaapo 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ G UFA - 2
Ferraro, Mario 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ DG UFA - 4	Benning, Matthew 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Reimer, James 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
Niemelä, Topi 856 667 $856 667 $ DD RFA - 3		Blackwood, Mackenzie 2 800 000 $2 800 000 $ G UFA - 1
Mukhamadullin, Shakir 894 167 $894 167 $ (400 000 $$400K) DG RFA - 3
Cicek, Nick 835 000 $835 000 $ DG RFA - 2
Jones, Zachary 925 000 $925 000 $ DG RFA - 1
Salo, Robin 800 000 $800 000 $ DG UFA - 2
Heinola, Ville 863 333 $863 333 $ (212 500 $$212K) DG RFA - 2
Megna, Jaycob 762 500 $762 500 $ DG UFA - 2
Harrington, Scott 750 000 $750 000 $ DG UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
	Kunin, Luke 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AD, C RFA - 2	Nutivaara, Markus 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ (250 000 $$250K) DG/DD UFA - 1
	Simek, Radim 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2	Knyzhov, Nikolai 850 000 $850 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

25 janv. 2023 à 19 h 58

evelutions2

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Canes aren’t moving Morrow. Nikishin, maybe, but doubt he gets moved. With Nikishin’s ceiling, make it 2023 first, Nikishin, and someone like Suzuki for Meier half retained

25 janv. 2023 à 20 h 0

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If I were Sharks, and they got these offers, I'd order them:

1. NJD: Blackwood, Holtz, Mukhamadullin, 1st

2. WPG: Heinola, McGroarty, 1st
3. NYR: Jones, Othmann, 1st

4. TOR: Minten, Niemelä, 1st
5. CAR: Morrow, 1st, 3rd
6. BUF: Johnson, Östlund, 1st
7. NYI: Räty, Salo, 1st

But as Devils fan, I don't see it

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25 janv. 2023 à 20 h 2

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Sharks are not Notoriously bad at developing players! we've actually done fairly well, except D drafted int he 1st 2 rounds lol
and how is Dufour small? he's 6'2" 195! I know he isnt a highly touted prospect but if you watch him he plays a solid game and has upside.

25 janv. 2023 à 20 h 13

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I think all are good for each team except the toronto one, minten and niemala are quite good hockey players but I view mcgroarty, ostlund, raty, morrow, othmann, and holtz a much higher tier than them

25 janv. 2023 à 20 h 20

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Quoting: evelutions2

Canes aren’t moving Morrow. Nikishin, maybe, but doubt he gets moved. With Nikishin’s ceiling, make it 2023 first, Nikishin, and someone like Suzuki for Meier half retained

Well that’s just it, if the best prospects the canes have aren’t up for being moved, with how late that pick is I don’t see them winning a trade for Meier. I don’t even know if they are interested in him, these are just the teams I see on here most often.

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25 janv. 2023 à 20 h 21

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

I think the Jones, Othman one is too high on the list honestly. But I do see the devils trade being rich. Both the devils and rangers are supposedly interested in Meier and I wonder if they end up trying to outbid each other.

25 janv. 2023 à 20 h 22

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

I'm trying to understand the OP with some of these values. I'll use the team I follow NJ and the NYRs since probably know them due to distance from NJ

NJD: Blackwood, Holtz, Mukhamadullin, 1st
NYR: Jones, Othmann, 1st

The 1sts cancel out, Holtz cancels out Othmam, Blackwood > Jones
Why the throw in of Muk?

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25 janv. 2023 à 20 h 29

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Here are Corey Pronman's rankings for the best U23 players (includes NHLers)

68. Shakir Mukhamadullin (NJD)
72. Alexander Holtz (NJD)

85. Rutger McGroarty (WPG)
96. Aatu Raty (NYI)
116. Scott Morrow (CAR)
135. Brennan Othmann (NYR)
141. Noah Ostlund (BUF)
142. Topi Niemela (TOR)

Not listed
Ryan Johnson (BUF)
Robin Salo (NYI)
Zachary Jones (NYR)
Fraser Minten (TOR)
Ville Heinola (WPG)

(someone's getting overcharged here)

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25 janv. 2023 à 20 h 35

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Quoting: glarson17

I think the NJD deal is too much.
The NYR and WPG deals are probably close.
And each of the bottom-4 are worth asking for more.

Just spit-balling counters...

TOR: Knies, 1st
CAR: Blake, Morrow, 1st
BUF: Mittelstadt, Savoie, 1st
NYI: (they just don't have the assets)

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25 janv. 2023 à 20 h 46

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Quoting: Smitty426

I'm trying to understand the OP with some of these values. I'll use the team I follow NJ abd the NYRs since probably know them due to dustsbce from NJ

NJD: Blackwood, Holtz, Mukhamadullin, 1st
NYR: Jones, Othmann, 1st

The 1sts cancel out, Holtz cancels out Othmam, Blackwood > Jones
Why the throw in of Muk?

There is one thing every is leaving out of these Meier synopses. Since everyone will want to extend him, and San Jose will want the higher return of trading him with term, the biggest variable in determining his value are Meier’s wishes for his next deal. Where does he want to play? How big of contract? Money? Location? Cups?

For instance, if he says, “I will sign in Winnipeg for $5m but in New York for $10m”…the bids will be very different.

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25 janv. 2023 à 20 h 53

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Ya think?
But what does Pronman know?

25 janv. 2023 à 21 h 30

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Quoting: Smitty426

Ya think?
But what does Pronman know?

He gets his lists from talking to scouts, as opposed to being a writer who tries to pretend he is a scout (Wheeler). But really just one input and his is the most recent list of prospects.

I don’t think others would show that much of a difference. Maybe Othmann and Morrow higher.

25 janv. 2023 à 21 h 32

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Add Nikishin as 22nd and Jarvis as 24th on that list.

25 janv. 2023 à 21 h 33

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Quoting: evelutions2

Canes aren’t moving Morrow. Nikishin, maybe, but doubt he gets moved. With Nikishin’s ceiling, make it 2023 first, Nikishin, and someone like Suzuki for Meier half retained

Nikishin has more value. Odd claim here

25 janv. 2023 à 21 h 36

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

I agree it's just those disagreeing with all those in the know challenged by armchair gms

25 janv. 2023 à 21 h 44

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Quoting: ecupirate07

Nikishin has more value. Odd claim here

Just send them both. Then you guys don’t have to worry about it.

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25 janv. 2023 à 21 h 45

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Just send them both. Then you guys don’t have to worry about it.

This sounds like a trap

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25 janv. 2023 à 21 h 48

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For money purposes I’d actually think Chytil would be more likely to get moved than Othmann. But to put it into perspective the odds of either getting moved at the deadline are about 1 in 100.

25 janv. 2023 à 21 h 57

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Quoting: Smitty426

I agree it's just those disagreeing with all those in the know challenged by armchair gms

LOL, I really like Pronman's list.
Seven of the top 52 are Sabres as well as 3 of the top 10.
I truly hope he is under rating Johnson (not ranked), Savoie and Levi (151st).
Savoie make no sense to rank him at 81st

Skating: Above NHL average
Puck skills: NHL average
Hockey sense: Above NHL average
Compete: Above NHL average
Shot: Above NHL average

BTW @glarson17 if that was all it took to get Meier, he would wearing Blue and Gold now, and I do not think it is time to move assets, but that would be too good to pass up.

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25 janv. 2023 à 22 h 51

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

LOL, I really like Pronman's list.
Seven of the top 52 are Sabres as well as 3 of the top 10.
I truly hope he is under rating Johnson (not ranked), Savoie and Levi (151st).
Savoie make no sense to rank him at 81st

Skating: Above NHL average
Puck skills: NHL average
Hockey sense: Above NHL average
Compete: Above NHL average
Shot: Above NHL average

BTW glarson17 if that was all it took to get Meier, he would wearing Blue and Gold now, and I do not think it is time to move assets, but that would be too good to pass up.

I agree, if Buff were to get and extend Timo, I would do that trade, or be fine with it. Also, we keep Kulich and Savoie.

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26 janv. 2023 à 0 h 3

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None of these look like our real needs. Taking more assets instead of the best assets is a bad plan, but maybe what Grier will do.

26 janv. 2023 à 0 h 34

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Quoting: papishark

None of these look like our real needs. Taking more assets instead of the best assets is a bad plan, but maybe what Grier will do.

Where are we not taking the best assets? Any of these prospects are basically top 3 in the sharks system I feel they are added to the organization

26 janv. 2023 à 0 h 37

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

LOL, I really like Pronman's list.
Seven of the top 52 are Sabres as well as 3 of the top 10.
I truly hope he is under rating Johnson (not ranked), Savoie and Levi (151st).
Savoie make no sense to rank him at 81st

Skating: Above NHL average
Puck skills: NHL average
Hockey sense: Above NHL average
Compete: Above NHL average
Shot: Above NHL average

BTW glarson17 if that was all it took to get Meier, he would wearing Blue and Gold now, and I do not think it is time to move assets, but that would be too good to pass up.

Buffalo has so many good pieces, same with New Jersey, and it really could be any of their prospects. But after the trades Grier has been making, I’m afraid for a Timo trade to be nothing but depth scraps and a 1st. I’d love peterka but I highly doubt they move him.

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26 janv. 2023 à 0 h 38

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Quoting: Masonh618

For money purposes I’d actually think Chytil would be more likely to get moved than Othmann. But to put it into perspective the odds of either getting moved at the deadline are about 1 in 100.

Fair enough, that’s why I don’t really see a Timo trade between the two even though they have had rumblings recently. But I’ve also heard Philly thrown out which is odd so who knows.

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26 janv. 2023 à 1 h 3

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Quoting: glarson17

Fair enough, that’s why I don’t really see a Timo trade between the two even though they have had rumblings recently. But I’ve also heard Philly thrown out which is odd so who knows.

Completely agree

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