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selling and retooling

Créé par: bagelbob
Équipe: 2022-23 Islanders de New York
Date de création initiale: 13 janv. 2023
Publié: 13 janv. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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the major question with this team imo is if sorokin is willing to sign an extension. imo if he won't do it this offseason he needs to get traded. i won't do a trade here because this is just supposed to be the deadline. regardless this is probably more aggressive than some people want to be but it needs to be done. lmk ur thoughts
Transactions
1.
NYI
  1. Newhook, Alex
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (COL)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (COL)
COL
  1. Nelson, Brock (2 000 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
gives the avs a real 2C solution at a pretty inexpensive cap hit. brock would almost certainly be a PPG player in their system (he already is close to it here) and he can play really solid defense also. can be any team in need of a 2C
2.
NYI
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
EDM
  1. Mayfield, Scott (725 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
it's giving ben chiarot
3.
NYI
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
NJD
  1. Varlamov, Semyon (2 500 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
i don't really care what team it's to just move him somewhere
4.
NYI
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (VGK)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (BUF)
VGK
  1. Parise, Zach
Détails additionnels:
to any team he agrees to be dealt to, love him and want to see him have success
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2182 500 000 $73 861 629 $245 796 $1 387 500 $8 638 371 $
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
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NTC
UFA - 4
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $
AD
RFA - 2
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4 150 000 $4 150 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 3
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AD, AG, C
UFA - 2
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908 333 $908 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C, AG
RFA - 1
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
C
UFA - 5
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750 000 $750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 7
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6 150 000 $6 150 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 8
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4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DG
RFA - 3
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4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
DD
RFA - 3
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750 000 $750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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825 000 $825 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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750 000 $750 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
AG
UFA - 4
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance537 500 $$538K)
AD
RFA - 1

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13 janv. 2023 à 14 h 1
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I’d love to see that deal from NJ
13 janv. 2023 à 14 h 5
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i like nelson but i think that his age makes this an overpay from colorados side. He's atleast 3 years older than the rest of the core top 6 and to burn our only center prospect and a 1st seems too high
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13 janv. 2023 à 14 h 6
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Edmonton declines. They aren't giving up their 1st for a Mayfield rental.
13 janv. 2023 à 14 h 7
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Quoting: ArakinSkywalker
i like nelson but i think that his age makes this an overpay from colorados side. He's atleast 3 years older than the rest of the core top 6 and to burn our only center prospect and a 1st seems too high


I agree with you here for sure. Only caveat would be that $2M retained Nelson probably inflates his value. Don’t think that it’s a great trade fit for COL though.
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13 janv. 2023 à 14 h 11
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Change Newhook to Olausson and I think Colorado stays on the line. They aren't going to move on from Newhook at this time though.
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13 janv. 2023 à 14 h 51
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Edmonton declines. They aren't giving up their 1st for a Mayfield rental.


if chiarot/savard are any indicator someone will, edmonton was just the team i’d seen most that was looking for a defenseman
13 janv. 2023 à 14 h 51
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Nelson isn't a good fit in Colorado. The most important attribute for their forwards is skating and Brock has never been fleet of foot. At 31, that's just going to get worse and worse over the duration of the contract. He's a hell of a player, just not a good fit for Colorado's system.
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13 janv. 2023 à 15 h 2
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I agree with you here for sure. Only caveat would be that $2M retained Nelson probably inflates his value. Don’t think that it’s a great trade fit for COL though.


honestly it doesn’t really need to be, i was just looking for a team that might be trading for a 2C and colorado was the first team i thought of. more just looking for a value assessment, i figured him at 4mil for 2 more seasons and a playoff run is probably worth a first and a good prospect/2 firsts but wanted to get other people’s feedback
13 janv. 2023 à 15 h 16
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Biggest issue for me in trading Brock is that somehow the offense becomes even more pitiful. Whether it's Newhook or another forward prospect from another team, I don't love the idea of having to replace a perennial 25 goal/55 point kind of guy like Nelson. You have a decent 1st line by the sheer willpower of Mat Barzal, but behind that it's two 3rd lines and the ghosts of a 4th line - they're gonna lose every 2-1 game going forward. Even if you want to retool, I think there's more value in keeping Nelson around to have a second scoring threat than whatever you'd get out of that late 1st rounder & Alex Newhook.
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13 janv. 2023 à 15 h 20
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13 janv. 2023 à 15 h 20
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Devils accept. Take Blackwood instead of retaining.
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13 janv. 2023 à 15 h 43
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if chiarot/savard are any indicator someone will, edmonton was just the team i’d seen most that was looking for a defenseman

Maybe someone will. But it won't be Edmonton.
13 janv. 2023 à 16 h 0
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Biggest issue for me in trading Brock is that somehow the offense becomes even more pitiful. Whether it's Newhook or another forward prospect from another team, I don't love the idea of having to replace a perennial 25 goal/55 point kind of guy like Nelson. You have a decent 1st line by the sheer willpower of Mat Barzal, but behind that it's two 3rd lines and the ghosts of a 4th line - they're gonna lose every 2-1 game going forward. Even if you want to retool, I think there's more value in keeping Nelson around to have a second scoring threat than whatever you'd get out of that late 1st rounder & Alex Newhook.


i disagree, this team in its current form is not a serious contender and brock is their highest value asset that they would realistically deal (aside from sorokin who if he doesn't sign an extension this summer i assume will also be gone). if they keep nelson around, who are they actually trading that has any real value? losing every 2-1 game next year is to their benefit so they get a better pick and thus more talent in the long run. imo they need to sell high after these past few nelson seasons. it'd suck to have him leave but the team won't be cup-caliber these next two years imo, better to move him now when his value is at probably the peak of what it'll ever be
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