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Créé par: asauer1122

Équipe: 2022-23 Sabres de Buffalo

Date de création initiale: 20 déc. 2022

Publié: 20 déc. 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Thoughts/ Who wins

Transactions

BUF

Hughes, Quinn

VAN

Cozens, Dylan
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (BUF)

Rachats de contrats

Cody Hodgson: 791 667 $
Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $

Enfoui

Anders Bjork: 475 000 $ (1 600 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	82 500 000 $	71 007 500 $	0 $	2 770 000 $	11 492 500 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Skinner, Jeff 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 5	Mittelstadt, Casey 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AG, C RFA - 2	Okposo, Kyle 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AD M-NTC UFA - 1
Olofsson, Victor 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2	Jost, Tyson 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ C UFA - 1	Tuch, Alex 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 4
Girgensons, Zemgus 2 200 000 $2 200 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Thompson, Tage 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ C UFA - 1	Hinostroza, Vinnie 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Peterka, John-Jason 855 833 $855 833 $ (82 500 $$82K) AG, AD RFA - 3		Quinn, Jack 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD, AG RFA - 3
	Krebs, Peyton 863 333 $863 333 $ (412 500 $$412K) C, AG RFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Samuelsson, Mattias 925 000 $925 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Dahlin, Rasmus 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2	Anderson, Craig 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ (500 000 $$500K) G UFA - 1
Hughes, Quinn 7 850 000 $7 850 000 $ DG UFA - 5	Power, Owen 916 667 $916 667 $ (925 000 $$925K) DG/DD UFA - 2	Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka 837 500 $837 500 $ G RFA - 2
Pilut, Lawrence 750 000 $750 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Lyubushkin, Ilya 687 500 $687 500 $ DD UFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Clague, Kale 750 000 $750 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 1	Bishop, Ben 4 916 667 $4 916 667 $ G M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Fitzgerald, Casey 750 000 $750 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Jokiharju, Henri 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ DD RFA - 2
Asplund, Rasmus 825 000 $825 000 $ AG, C RFA - 1	Bryson, Jacob 1 850 000 $1 850 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 2
	Comrie, Eric 1 800 000 $1 800 000 $ G UFA - 2

20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 6

Juiceman

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That’s not a mammoth trade. Think about what you’d want for Dahlin and then increase it because of how incredibly bad our defense would be without Hughes

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 6

littlejerryseinfeld

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I wouldn't trade cozens for Hughes 1 for 1

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 8

wojme

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Quoting: Juiceman

That’s not a mammoth trade. Think about what you’d want for Dahlin and then increase it because of how incredibly bad our defense would be without Hughes

Dahlin>>Hughes

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 8

Shibbal18

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Vancouver wins, Centers are infinitely more valuable than small purely offensive dmen. Cozens is just better regardless

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 8

Juiceman

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Quoting: wojme

Dahlin>>Hughes

Only this year. Hughes has easily been better since they started their career.

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 9

Juiceman

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Quoting: Shibbal18

Vancouver wins, Center are infinitely more valuable than small purely offensive dmen

L take. A 2C and a mid first doesn’t get you a franchise d man. This isn’t a mammoth trade

20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 10

asauer1122

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Quoting: Juiceman

That’s not a mammoth trade. Think about what you’d want for Dahlin and then increase it because of how incredibly bad our defense would be without Hughes

not the point of this post.

20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 11

asauer1122

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Quoting: Juiceman

L take. A 2C and a mid first doesn’t get you a franchise d man. This isn’t a mammoth trade

hughes is a great dman. Not franchise. That term is thrown around too lightly

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 11

DangleCat

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I would def take Quinn

20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 12

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Juiceman

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Quoting: asauer1122

hughes is a great dman. Not franchise. That term is thrown around too lightly

Dahlin is not a franchise d man then. Those 2 are in the same tier of Elite I guess. I’m fine with that

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 12

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littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: Juiceman

L take. A 2C and a mid first doesn’t get you a franchise d man. This isn’t a mammoth trade

Hughes isn't a franchise d man.

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 12

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Shibbal18

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Quoting: Juiceman

L take. A 2C and a mid first doesn’t get you a franchise d man. This isn’t a mammoth trade

Hughes is not a franchise d man.

20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 12

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Juiceman

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Quoting: asauer1122

not the point of this post.

Then what is the point? If you want Hughes, it will take a mammoth offer to acquire him. This isn’t a mammoth offer. Canucks lose

Warpbox et NV94 a aimé ceci.

20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 13

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wojme

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Quoting: Juiceman

Only this year. Hughes has easily been better since they started their career.

Quinn started his career at 20, two years older than dahlin. Dahlin is just plain better skill wise and defensively.

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 13

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littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: Juiceman

Dahlin is not a franchise d man then. Those 2 are in the same tier of Elite I guess. I’m fine with that

Dahlin is obviously a franchise d man.

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 13

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Juiceman

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

Hughes isn't a franchise d man.

Quoting: Shibbal18

Hughes is not a franchise d man.

Then neither is Dahlin. Im fine with putting Hughes and Dahlin in the same tier of elite

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 13

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asauer1122

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Quoting: Juiceman

Dahlin is not a franchise d man then. Those 2 are in the same tier of Elite I guess. I’m fine with that

Dahlin is top 3 in the league. Hughes is top 15-20

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 13

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Juiceman

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Quoting: wojme

Quinn started his career at 20, two years older than dahlin. Dahlin is just plain better skill wise and defensively.

Let’s be real, neither of them have ever been good defensively

20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 14

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Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: wojme

Dahlin>>Hughes

Quoting: Juiceman

Only this year. Hughes has easily been better since they started their career.

This is going to be controversial, but I don’t think Quinn Hughes is one of the top three defenseman from that draft. I think Dahlin, Dobson, and Miller are all better than Hughes and Durzi is closing in on him fast.

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 14

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littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: Juiceman

Then what is the point? If you want Hughes, it will take a mammoth offer to acquire him. This isn’t a mammoth offer. Canucks lose

A point per game 2 way 21 year old center and likely a top 15 pick for a luxury model tyson barrie? Looooooool

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 14

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I think both teams decline honestly. Sabres need a 2C a lot more than they need another top pair LD, and Canucks need a top pair Ld a lot more than they need a 2C.

20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 14

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littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: Juiceman

Then neither is Dahlin. Im fine with putting Hughes and Dahlin in the same tier of elite

You can be fine with it, as long as you are fine with being wrong.

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 14

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Juiceman

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Quoting: asauer1122

Dahlin is top 3 in the league. Hughes is top 15-20

Maybe in the first 30 games this season 😂. He isn’t in the same tier as guys like Makar, Fox, Hedman, McAvoy. Hughes and Dahlin are in the same tier

Warpbox a aimé ceci.

20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 15

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Juiceman

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Quoting: Isles5513

There is no way you just considered Miller and Durzi. Neither of them have had nearly the same impact as Hughes. Laughably bad. I’ve respected you on here before but that is just shocking

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20 déc. 2022 à 12 h 15

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Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: Juiceman

Maybe in the first 30 games this season 😂. He isn’t in the same tier as guys like Makar, Fox, Hedman, McAvoy. Hughes and Dahlin are in the same tier

I’d actually put Dahlin in that tier tbh. And I’d probably take Hedman out based on his play this year.

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