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Équipe: 2022-23 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 17 oct. 2022
Publié: 17 oct. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Kane, Patrick
12 625 000 $
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1.
NYR
    Patrick Kane ($2,625,000)

    Arizona receives 2024 4th round Rangers pick for double retention
    CHI
    1. Blais, Samuel
    2. Korczak, Ryder
    3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (DAL)
    4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NYR)
    Détails additionnels:
    Rangers 2023 2nd round pick turns into a 1st round pick if the Rangers win the Stanley Cup
    2.
    NYR
    CHI
      Hajek is rostered and Jones will be in the AHL instead of being a scratch so that they can be under the cap.
      Jones would get called up for injuries and would play over Hajek in the playoffs.
      3.
      NYR
        - Rangers reunite Kane and Panarin who instantly makes this team cup favorites
        - Rangers go "all in" without losing major pieces and prospects
        CHI
          - Hawks get Blais to get salary back and Blais gets a chance to play big minutes and show what he can do.
          - Ryder Korczak is a good prospect for the hawks
          - The Dallas pick is a potential lottery pick that would be really nice for the Blackhawks in a stacked draft
          - Hawks also get a 2nd or potential 1st if the rangers win the cup
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          17 oct. 2022 à 20 h 54
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          I think the Rangers will be very aggressive in going after Kane. I think you're close-ish, but not quite. Take out Korczak and put in Othmann and you're probably there.
          17 oct. 2022 à 21 h 21
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          Reunite? Why wouldn’t you reunite them on the same line 😂
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          17 oct. 2022 à 21 h 43
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          Quoting: NYR1983
          Reunite? Why wouldn’t you reunite them on the same line 😂


          lmao you're right, switch Kane and Kravtsov
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          17 oct. 2022 à 21 h 58
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          Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
          I think the Rangers will be very aggressive in going after Kane. I think you're close-ish, but not quite. Take out Korczak and put in Othmann and you're probably there.


          Zero percent chance Othmann is included. He's not being traded.
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          17 oct. 2022 à 22 h 28
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          Quoting: delneggs
          Zero percent chance Othmann is included. He's not being traded.


          Well, you're likely not getting Kane with that proposed package. Teams are going to offer the moon.
          17 oct. 2022 à 22 h 29
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          Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
          I think the Rangers will be very aggressive in going after Kane. I think you're close-ish, but not quite. Take out Korczak and put in Othmann and you're probably there.


          I'm a hawks fan also so I'd like that to happen, but I don't think NYR wants to give him up. ELC will be really important for a cap-crunched rangers team in the future. They have many other assets that they can give up instead.
          17 oct. 2022 à 22 h 51
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          Quoting: Rhehdbdbd
          I'm a hawks fan also so I'd like that to happen, but I don't think NYR wants to give him up. ELC will be really important for a cap-crunched rangers team in the future. They have many other assets that they can give up instead.


          I still think the Hawks are going to want more than that.
          17 oct. 2022 à 22 h 54
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          Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
          I still think the Hawks are going to want more than that.


          I try to keep it realistic since he's only a rental. People on this site are always super critical of Kane trades.
          17 oct. 2022 à 23 h 29
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          Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
          Well, you're likely not getting Kane with that proposed package. Teams are going to offer the moon.


          And they can have him. Othmann and Cuylee are off the table, especially for rentals.
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          17 oct. 2022 à 23 h 45
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          "Going All-in without losing major pieces and prospects"
          ehem
          a 1st and a 2nd.... what are these? I consider them significant assets
          Korczak? Not the notoriety of Othmann....but he is an impressive young C- might just be their best prospect there in an organization extremely weak down the middle
          18 oct. 2022 à 8 h 37
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          Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
          Well, you're likely not getting Kane with that proposed package. Teams are going to offer the moon.


          Kane and his NMC will funnel which team he goes to, which would affect the return. Much like the lackluster return the Flyers got last year for Giroux.
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          18 oct. 2022 à 9 h 25
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          Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
          I think the Rangers will be very aggressive in going after Kane. I think you're close-ish, but not quite. Take out Korczak and put in Othmann and you're probably there.


          No thanks. Othmann is a big NYR puzzle piece. This is close, like Giroux situation. Regardless, offense is not top need, better off spending on future cap fits, we could sign him for free next yr,...
          18 oct. 2022 à 9 h 27
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          Quoting: Shakabakes
          Kane and his NMC will funnel which team he goes to, which would affect the return. Much like the lackluster return the Flyers got last year for Giroux.
          Quoting: Jimbo1119
          "Going All-in without losing major pieces and prospects"
          ehem
          a 1st and a 2nd.... what are these? I consider them significant assets
          Korczak? Not the notoriety of Othmann....but he is an impressive young C- might just be their best prospect there in an organization extremely weak down the middle


          Draft picks are irrelevant for the Rangers. Their time to win is now and not to save picks for players that could take at least 3 years to become decent AHL or NHL players or not even pan out. If they have the chance to get the best American-born player of all time then they must.
          18 oct. 2022 à 9 h 29
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          Quoting: Fox_Czar_Cup
          No thanks. Othmann is a big NYR puzzle piece. This is close, like Giroux situation. Regardless, offense is not top need, better off spending on future cap fits, we could sign him for free next yr,...


          Kane is way more impactful than Giroux. Othmann may not be on the table, but The hawks have the right to demand a player like that for Kane. Everyone is talking about the Rangers future, but the best time is to win right now while your core is in their prime and their young guys are on ELC.
          18 oct. 2022 à 10 h 5
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          Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
          Well, you're likely not getting Kane with that proposed package. Teams are going to offer the moon.


          What is the Penguins offer?
          18 oct. 2022 à 10 h 8
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          Quoting: busters99
          What is the Penguins offer?


          penguins have nothing to offer lmao
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          18 oct. 2022 à 10 h 11
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          Quoting: Shakabakes
          Kane and his NMC will funnel which team he goes to, which would affect the return. Much like the lackluster return the Flyers got last year for Giroux.


          I mean, the Flyers still got a 1st, 3rd, and a young roster player for Giroux retained down to $4.1M, and Giroux was producing at a much lower level than where Kane was last year. I don't think Kane gets a king's ransom because of his NMC, but I do think if you retain him down to $2.625M like OP has done here, he's going to get a significantly stronger return than Giroux. If you can fit him on your team for $5.25M(ie, Chicago is the only team eating cap), then I think you can start talking about a 1st/3rd/prospect-type return.
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          18 oct. 2022 à 10 h 15
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          Quoting: busters99
          What is the Penguins offer?


          The Pens don't have the pieces to compete with other teams.
          18 oct. 2022 à 10 h 16
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          Quoting: Rhehdbdbd
          penguins have nothing to offer lmao


          Unfortunately this is the truth. The Pens can offer an OK package, but nothing that would stack up to other teams. The only leverage the Pens would have is if Kane decided the Pens are the team he'd waive to and obviously that's unlikely the case.
          18 oct. 2022 à 10 h 21
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          Quoting: dannibalcorpse
          I mean, the Flyers still got a 1st, 3rd, and a young roster player for Giroux retained down to $4.1M, and Giroux was producing at a much lower level than where Kane was last year. I don't think Kane gets a king's ransom because of his NMC, but I do think if you retain him down to $2.625M like OP has done here, he's going to get a significantly stronger return than Giroux. If you can fit him on your team for $5.25M(ie, Chicago is the only team eating cap), then I think you can start talking about a 1st/3rd/prospect-type return.


          With a 22-man roster, the Rangers were projected to have around 4.5m in TDL cap space. Since early season injuries, a 23-man roster has been used which would be about 1m in TDL cap space, so depending how things work out, between 1m and 4.5m give or take, but expecting closer to 4m.
          18 oct. 2022 à 10 h 22
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          Quoting: Rhehdbdbd
          I try to keep it realistic since he's only a rental. People on this site are always super critical of Kane trades.


          The market will dictate so much of this. Kane's NMC takes away some leverage from CHI because he can ultimately say he'll finish out his time, but that doesn't mean it won't be very competitive in terms of offers. The deal you put together is OK, but very beatable by other teams and I guess that's the point I was trying to make. Think of it in terms of what other teams can/will offer.

          Kane isn't a normal rental, so the return is unlikely to be a normal deadline return. Giroux got a 1st, 3rd and Tippet and compared to this deal is a LITTLE bit more than you're proposing IMO. Kane is a bigger get than Giroux. While Girioux is still playing well, Kane is another level and I think teams will offer more than Giroux got. How much more? Probably not a ton, but to me the prospect is where this deal fails.
          18 oct. 2022 à 10 h 32
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          Quoting: Rhehdbdbd
          Draft picks are irrelevant for the Rangers. Their time to win is now and not to save picks for players that could take at least 3 years to become decent AHL or NHL players or not even pan out. If they have the chance to get the best American-born player of all time then they must.


          This is the exact mindset which emptied the team's prospect cupboard a few years back- and led to the "letter to the fans" when the players they spent their draft/prospect capital on were unable to deliver right away, yet weren't around for a wide Cup window.

          Just about every Cup winner within memory has "stubbed its toe" before breaking through to win the Cup...the Avs FINALLY were able to break through last year to go deep- and in fact win a Cup. Look at the trouble TOR is having just winning a series- even with the fire power they've assembled. So throwing significant assets at ONE player for a ONE shot chance to win the Cup is about as dumb as it gets!

          And there is no such thing as draft picks being irrelevant! Especially in the CAP era we're in, it is essential for teams (that have a chance at winning) to have up and coming talent to replace players which price themselves off a team. Have to build for a contention window- not 1 shot at the Cup.
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          18 oct. 2022 à 11 h 36
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          Quoting: Jimbo1119
          This is the exact mindset which emptied the team's prospect cupboard a few years back- and led to the "letter to the fans" when the players they spent their draft/prospect capital on were unable to deliver right away, yet weren't around for a wide Cup window.

          Just about every Cup winner within memory has "stubbed its toe" before breaking through to win the Cup...the Avs FINALLY were able to break through last year to go deep- and in fact win a Cup. Look at the trouble TOR is having just winning a series- even with the fire power they've assembled. So throwing significant assets at ONE player for a ONE shot chance to win the Cup is about as dumb as it gets!

          And there is no such thing as draft picks being irrelevant! Especially in the CAP era we're in, it is essential for teams (that have a chance at winning) to have up and coming talent to replace players which price themselves off a team. Have to build for a contention window- not 1 shot at the Cup.


          to play devil's advocate: who scored the game-winning (and Cup-clinching) goal in Game 6 and how did Colorado acquire him?
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          18 oct. 2022 à 11 h 37
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          Quoting: dannibalcorpse
          I mean, the Flyers still got a 1st, 3rd, and a young roster player for Giroux retained down to $4.1M, and Giroux was producing at a much lower level than where Kane was last year. I don't think Kane gets a king's ransom because of his NMC, but I do think if you retain him down to $2.625M like OP has done here, he's going to get a significantly stronger return than Giroux. If you can fit him on your team for $5.25M(ie, Chicago is the only team eating cap), then I think you can start talking about a 1st/3rd/prospect-type return.


          Absolutely. Not implying that the Rangers could get him for peanuts. Simply stating that his NMC will allow Kane to steer himself to the city of his choosing, which would lessen the competitive bid that that team would have to make to acquire him. Would still be substantial enough, but not the emptying of an entire farm system that some would suggest.

          While it's still early now, the current play of Kakko and Lafrenière could make a Kane trade unnecessary. Even more so if at least one of Blais or Kravtsov can get it together. Might be looking at affordable 3rd line options to balance the team out, rather than a Kane blockbuster.
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          18 oct. 2022 à 14 h 16
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          Quoting: dannibalcorpse
          to play devil's advocate: who scored the game-winning (and Cup-clinching) goal in Game 6 and how did Colorado acquire him?


          I guess you are referring to Lehkonen?
          He was not a rental....he was RFA come July- who COL actually extended. If Kane were RFA and/or the NYR had any ability to extend him it would be a totally different situation. That said- if I'm giving up a 1st round pick (let alone a 1st + more assets) I want a player coming back that the team has at least 2 playoff runs with. Or if the payer is RFA- at least you can move him and get a return if you choose not to extend.
           
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