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Armchair-GM
il y a 11 heures
Sujet:
Optimistic Approach
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Masonh618</b></div><div>NYR won't have the leverage to return his true trade value since Chytil would be a cap dump in this hypothetical scenario. It'd be very similar to the return Buch got.</div></div>
Then scuttle someone else…any GM who takes Pennies on the dollar for a nicely developing top 6 center…will be looking for a job in a different business.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
il y a 12 heures
Sujet:
Optimistic Approach
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Masonh618</b></div><div>I don't mean that as in it's absolutely PARAMOUNT to prioritize Miller over Chytil per se, but just from comparing the depth behind both players it's a rather massive drop to put a guy like Ben Harpur on the second pairing lol. It's also why I'd sadly believe Filip Chytil would actually be at the top of that list you created, much like Pavel Buchnevich was in 2021. I also don't expect the likes of Goodrow or Trouba to be moved with how immovable their contracts are this year.. and as I previously referenced a buyout doesn't solve anything.</div></div>
If Chytil is the player sacrificed, then -unlike Buch- the return better be in line for what he shows he is becoming: a top 6 C. Anything short of a 1st round pick, a good prospect and then some would be as disappointing as the Buch return. That all said- I think there will be moves available. I’m guessing that most won’t like the options available…but short of losing Shest or Fox (of course I don’t even remotely see happening), any player on the roster can be had in the right deal.
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Armchair-GM
il y a 16 heures
Sujet:
Next year
Pencilling in Othmann for 1st line minutes just seems a little over optimistic. Id figure him to start in Hartford then come up during the year and play bottom 6…if he warrants more than that-then it’s like found money….but to plan on a guy coming from junior to play up is not a good plan.
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Armchair-GM
il y a 18 heures
Sujet:
Optimistic Approach
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Masonh618</b></div><div>I heard this same argument last offseason with Kakko. In addition, I'd accept a 1st and a 3rd in exchange for Lafreniere at $6M. Miller is going to be the priority extension, and I have no worries that it won't be completed before the offer sheet window opens.</div></div>
I don’t know how Miller should be prioritized over Chytil….but that’s not even a discussion worth having because by hook or crook, NYR need to do whatever it takes to get Miller, LaF, and Chytil extended. That said- potential returns on all 3 have to be listened to….and in the case of a 6M OS to LaF, the return 1st and 3rd might just be the best move. But I just don’t see that as realistic, as he is playing to a bridge deal rather than a massive overpay.
The Cap situation as it stands is razor thin (but not impossible) for next year. It really is in Drury’s best interest to get these guys locked ASAP. Should Miller and Chytil continue on this year’s trajectory, they will only get more expensive. If that happens then NYR should have a pecking order of who gets dealt…all on contracts other than minimum or ELC would be on this list. My guess is guys at the top of this list would be Goodrow, Trouba, and Lindgren. Other than Goodrow, any other move is probably going to be real unpopular (Lindgren) or real uncomfortable (Trouba- due to probably salary retention required).
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 18 h 9
Sujet:
maybe sell high on kreids
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>saysthemachine</b></div><div>There are many other things that should be explored before you consider moving on from CK, even if he's the most desirable player out of the bunch. This team cannot continue to give away goals for nothing because they make bad decisions. Bad decisions on top of bad decisions. Out of 82 games, CK helps you win 70. And if he's healthy come postseason, he adds value there.
You literally put out a hit on Trouba if that's what it takes, before you consider moving CK. He makes 6.5 and he'll score 30 goals. I don't understand why he's even a consideration for a cap casualty.</div></div>
Don’t disagree with anything you are saying…CK is certainly not my first choice to make the Cap work out. But if the team does find itself on a position where they need to lose cap OR lose KAM, Chytil, or LaF then all options are on the table…so the choice will come down to 1. What move is most doable and 2. Which (if several moves possible) is most beneficial. Sure- I’d rather lose Trouba than CK…but much more involved in the decision than that.
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Armchair-GM
Hier à 12 h 33
Sujet:
maybe sell high on kreids
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>saysthemachine</b></div><div>Kreider isn't allowed to have bad games, even if he's injured. This post is incoherent. You're trading him, presumably because of his defensive lapses in the last game. And your suggested panacea is trading all of our assests for dudes who have never played D.
????</div></div>
For sure had a rough night last night...but that can happen to anyone. Ironically, the perception on his game last night changes 180 degrees IF his tip in goes in or he wins the puck battle which led to the tying goal...it happens! So any decision to move him can not be based on that. But after the season...due to self inflicted Cap constraints, moving Kreider might be one of several moves they explore to free up Cap going forward. Wont be easy though, as an NMC is involved with just about every option they would try to consider.
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Armchair-GM
Hier à 11 h 17
Sujet:
maybe sell high on kreids
Nothing happening like this right now. Maybe after the season, depending on how the Cup push goes, and what BOS intentions with Pasta are.
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Armchair-GM
Hier à 10 h 25
Sujet:
Vegas
Looks good to me…why not try Gaut’s speed across from Kreider. And I’m sure Kreider doesn’t like a “demotion”….but he’ll still get plenty of run, and still on PP1.
Problem is:
Gallant’s refusal to give guys like Krav and Gaut a chance to play up. What’s so maddening here is that the guys he does trust, he trusts blindly. Trouba and Goodrow are on the ice time and again either blowing an assignment or lofting an I’ll advised pass…either of which leads to massive pressure in the D zone and/or a goal against. If Gallant showed 1/2 the faith in the young guys that he unconditionally gives to his “war horses”, not only would certain questions about this team be solved going forward (for good or bad)- but at least a few young guys would be developing better. See what a little faith BUF coach had in T. Thompson resulted in?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Hier à 8 h 21
Sujet:
Making a push before trading away some contracts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mental_yuppi</b></div><div>It's a push for this playoffs and then trade away kreider and more</div></div>
Even if Drury could get any of Kreider, Trouba, or Panarin to lift their NMC, the teams (they would lift for) would have Drury bent over a barrel- to the point they’d get Pennie’s on the dollar, or would even have to pay to move. Salary retention is a very good possibility- but of course in doing so, the Cap benefit is limited. End result: if one of these guys is to be moved, it will be BEFORE a big move is made…and none of these guys are going anywhere by TDL.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
mer. à 14 h 45
Sujet:
Going Bonkers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shakabakes</b></div><div>I'm more of a Lafreniere detractor, to this point. If it's the Rangers screwing him up, then so be it. But when Chytil and Kakko struggled in the beginning, there were still certain facets of their game that made up for their lack of point production. And then eventually, the other areas caught up.
Lafreniere is absolutely invisible. Despite the lack of production, there is no other area of his game where he sticks out. I know it's probably wrong to move him this early, but in year 3, he's not showing the same progression as some of the other young Forwards before him.
And while I have liked Kravtsov 's improvement of late, they're jerking him around, too. His hijinks last year with Drury included, and I don't see him being around for the long haul.
The Two 1st Rounders will likely be later in the Round. Solid Draft class or not, they can be had.</div></div>
I make no bones about NOT being a fan of moving 1sts for rentals...but I also acknowledge that reality is that at least one of those picks will be dealt. If that's the case, Tarasenko and Meier are far and away the best options to add a top 6 F. While Kane might help to make a daunting PP even better, either Meier or Tarasenko would also be helpful there- yet would be better at driving 5X5 play. I think Tarasenko is most likely the guy- only because he probably wont be as expensive as Meier (beyond the 2023 1st).
As far as Gavrikov, it does look as if (considering last year TDL and trades mentioned here) a 1st + will be involved to get him...to upgrade the 3rd pair, I don't think NYR will consider this- unless they have other plans for Lindgren or Miller after the season (doubtful on both). Max I see spending on 3LD is a 3rd + a distant prospect.
one other thing...I know NYR really have no ability to extend anyone they pick up (without losing Cap or a player who needs an extension)- but any idea on what reasonable contracts look like for Gavrikov and Tarasenko? I assume Meier will be in the stratosphere. (BTW his career stats are a mirror image of Buch!!)
Forum:
Armchair-GM
mar. à 23 h 11
Sujet:
Sell fest
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AC14</b></div><div>That’s certainly fair.
It’s just with the Rangers having such a large group of assets that they could move and having a good core and an elite goalie, enhancing the chances right now in my mind which could be wrong, is probably the best bet.
I don’t think that Lafreniere or Kakko are what they are right now. But the Rangers window certainly appears to be open right now. I know they’ll have
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AC14</b></div><div>That’s certainly fair.
It’s just with the Rangers having such a large group of assets that they could move and having a good core and an elite goalie, enhancing the chances right now in my mind which could be wrong, is probably the best bet.
I don’t think that Lafreniere or Kakko are what they are right now. But the Rangers window certainly appears to be open right now. I know they’ll have a cap crunch soon and could use a few ELCs in the near future. But they have a lot of their core signed to term who are getting a bit older. I think they certainly have some good years still ahead but I don’t think that with some cap crunches probably coming soon that taking chances these next couple of years while they have assets to do so is a bad strategy at all.</div></div>
Before Panarin was signed there was much debate regarding his age and how that aligned with a rebuild….much of the prevailing thought was that his skill set would help the development of the young guys and that due to his development path he had more tread on his tires than the typical 27 year old- meaning the expectation was for him to be productive at a high level longer than most. That all said, here we are. A few guys are in the age of “now or never” yet much of the young core still isn’t ready- in my opinion- to realistically push for a Cup….unless the goalie plays out of his mind (which he is capable of).
Good back and forth with a few Blues fans today…my stance doesn’t have anything to do with what I think of Tarasenko- but has everything to do with how I view my NYR team. Their time should come- but this year is premature…they should make a few low profile moves to reinforce the bottom 6, the 3rd pair, and add depth. But the (2) 1st rounders will probably be needed as NYR players once the team moves on from guys like Trouba and Panarin in 3-4 years.</div></div>
Forum:
Armchair-GM
mar. à 19 h 52
Sujet:
Sell fest
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheEarthmaster</b></div><div>The other thing to say about 1st round picks is that even if you hit you probably won't see that you hit for another two years or so if you're drafting late in the first round, which is not ideal for a team that, on the cusp or not, is sort of in a win-now mode.
I guess the thing that I take issue with is the aversion to spending the assets when my view of the situation- and I'm not a Rangers fan, so you know, what do I know- is this is probably your best time to use those assets. The likelihood of winning after trading for a rental is always going to be low. The likelihood of winning after you don't trade for a rental is also going to be low. Only one team wins, that's just how it works, so I feel like framing it as "so many teams didn't win after spending a 1st round pick on a rental, therefore spending a 1st round pick on a rental is likely going to be a waste" is extremely limiting.
I'm not saying it has to be Tarasenko, but I do feel like if the Rangers stand pat and use both of those 1st round picks in the draft this year, that's malpractice. I more or less agree that they're not one piece away from being bulletproof. But I look at this team- especially their forward group- and I'm wondering how many more kicks at the can their core really has. Panarin at 31, Kreider at 31, Zibanejad at 29, Trocheck at 29. It just seems like, ready or not, you kinda gotta go for it now, because the likelihood of a drop off in fire power in the next two or three years seems pretty high. If you draft with those picks and hit, what's the team going to look like in two or three years when those picks are difference makers?
This is all doubly true considering they have two 1sts. They can spend one and pocket another for the draft and pretty much break-even no matter what happens in the playoffs.</div></div>
I have to give it to you- you lay down a good argument as to why they should use at least 1 of their 1sts to improve chances in the playoff push…and yes- making no moves (while others do) does not improve chances. BUT….if this team were in a position to add a player for the Cup run who will be around at least for next year (albeit preferably even longer) then I am much less averse to moving 1 or even both 1sts. But a 2-3 month rental? I just see putting the eggs in one basket as too risky. And even though they have (2) 1sts- remember- one is the return from Nils, who is on his way to becoming very comfortable and productive in DAL. So I do not look at that pick as expendable.
Unfortunately, NYR are in the Cap position they are in and with the age of players you mention. While Mika, Pan, Kreider, and Trocheck clocks are ticking- that in itself doesn’t expedite when LaF, Kakko, Chytil, Schneider, or Krav or Gaut are ready. This is my main point to make small moves at TDL rather than a big splash. Because even with a big move involving Tarasenko, Meier, or Kane…too much of the team is still developing. If things progress (as all NYR fans hope) then maybe next year is the time for “all in mode” at TDL. Because this year they are still not there- that’s my aversion to burning one or two 1sts for a rental this year. And believe me- this very topic is a very big topic of debate among NYR fans…there is no consensus either way- and guess what? It really doesn’t matter! Drury’s gonna do what he’s gonna do whatever fans on either side of this debate say!
Forum:
Armchair-GM
mar. à 17 h 53
Sujet:
Sell fest
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AC14</b></div><div>This is always perplexing to me. Fans often have such a hesitance to move a late 1st for an impact player even when the odds of that late 1st even becoming an NHL player is around 50%.
This is mainly a blanket statement. I know there are certain situations in which it doesn’t always make sense fit wise. But man, if you’re on the cusp and can add a player who throughout their career is near a PPG player and are not wanting to add that caliber of a player for a late 1st and some minor assets that most likely won’t pan out, it makes you wonder how they can expect their team to win aside from a stroke of luck.</div></div>
Your justification is exactly why 1sts get traded for guys like Giroux, Chiarot, etc. But if you go back through the years it would be interesting to see how many Cup winners did add a rental at TDL….my guess is far fewer than the 50% or so late 1st rounders who become relevant players.
I watch as many NYR games as I can- and I guess as long as Shest is on his game they can be considered “on the cusp” , reality is they are not on the cusp-nor 1 player away.
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Armchair-GM
mar. à 17 h 8
Sujet:
Sell fest
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheEarthmaster</b></div><div>Buddy if you're not willing to part with a first round pick (when you're the only buyer that has four in the next three drafts) and a B tier prospect for a top six rental forward you are going to have an extremely difficult time making any trades of consequence.</div></div>
I’m fine with either making no moves or making only smaller moves. Not that I doubt he will fetch a 1st…would just rather not see NYR to be the team to give it up. Any hope at extending him and I change my tune- but for a few weeks plus playoffs? Not a chance!
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Armchair-GM
mar. à 16 h 33
Sujet:
Sell fest
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shakabakes</b></div><div>I like Korczak, but I can't really argue much with this.
Assuming Tarasenko comes back healthy, obviously.
Rangers get to keep Kravtsov and Robertson.
Maybe a 4th instead of the 3rd, but that's nitpicking.
Tarasenko would compliment Panarin perfectly.</div></div>
I can argue with this….instead of the 1st, make it a 2nd- with a condition to be a 1st if they win the Cup. FWIW, can put conditions on the 3rd as well to upgrade- if he extends, wins, Conn Smythe, or whatever.
Point is- again- big assets leaving NY here. And unless they win the Cup, it’s a big waste.
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Armchair-GM
mar. à 12 h 24
Sujet:
Deadline with new lines
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mvp13</b></div><div>NYR already have another 1st round pick, making this different than the 2010s in my opinion. In addition, even if Nils or Krav find their way, Nils had no place on the NYR roster behind Fox, Trouba, and Schneider, all who will solidly be the RD for the next 5 years. Kravstov can essentially be replaced "long term" by Othman or Cuyle... it's not like Kravstov has been showing much of anything with his chances in the top 6, etc. Regarding Jones, he had a fair shot at being the LD with Schneider, and it didn't work. Schneider seems to work best with a big and heavy defenseman (Harpur this year, Braun last year). NYR should not pair a small skill defenseman with Schneider if they want the best out of him. The 3rd pair has been lights out since Harpur has been put in, even if that sounds extremely silly to say. This is why I view Jones as extremely expendable, as there's simply no room for him, and he is supposed to be "good". Might as well get something for him
I'm really not sure what the chemistry point is about... I don't think Kane has ever had a reputation or history of being a bad teammate. He's won 3 Cups and been on one team his whole career. Obviously this is a risk with any player you acquire, draft, etc. This is a moot point in my book, unless it's special cases like "confirmed" locker room problems
You don't think the team is improved 5 on 5 in the proposed lines...? I'm fairly astounded. You get a "real" top line right wing in Kane, and you move down your current top line player to the middle six as a result. I'm very confused how this doesn't improve 5 on 5 play, which is what NYR needs the most, and fairly obviously does... Kane has "bad" stats this year, but he's playing on arguably the worst team in the League, talent wise
The valid point is Kane won't be back, unless NYR move on from Chytil and Kane takes a very team friendly deal, or the cap improves more than expected. It's definitely intended to be a rental on my part. I view all the pieces being moved for Kane as expendable pieces that likely won't be around next year regardless. Whether they are moved for Kane, for other pieces, or simply not signed. Instead of getting a bunch of depth pieces like bogdown suggested, I would rather use our expendable pieces on one that'd really make a difference
I don't know what sport we are all watching, but NYR made the conference finals last year... the expectation has absolutely got to be to continue on that trajectory. The rebuild is over. There are still plenty of prospects and picks with these 3 pieces gone. I don't think NYR are awful status quo, but getting a "real" top line RW is really the only thing they need this TDL, and Kane is the absolute best choice right now, especially given the Panarin connection</div></div>
To your 1st point- this does seem to be much of the justification for burning that 1st on a rental. I beg to differ, though. I don't look at any pick or prospect as expendable. That said, they are assets- which can (and should, when appropriate) be moved for other assets. And (my opinion here) the more premium the asset, the more the team should be looking at a return beyond the immediate.
As far as your chemistry point...I think you misunderstood my initial point...has nothing to do with possibility of a locker room cancer. My point is you never know how players will mesh with others. The conclusion is that Panarin and Kane will pick up where they left off. That's actually a reasonable assumption. But how about if Kane and Zib don't hit it off? I mean in a hockey sense. And TDL to season end is a short period to get this answer. Perfect example is Trocheck/Panarin...no issues there with the players or personalities- but they have displayed almost zero chemistry together on the ice.
As far as 5X5 play- sure on paper it looks like this team should be better...but who knows what the infusion of Kane would do to the lines. Gallant's "model" for a line seems to combine a passer with a shooter, with a defensive forward. Don't think Pan-Zib-Kane satisfies this model...but you never know- maybe Gallant does veer from his model due to the star players involved here.
Regarding the conference finals run...sure was fun to watch- but much of their success was based on Shest standing on his head. Great having a lights out goalie- but I would be real careful to judge what this team really is when it was really based on how far Shest took them. And in all honesty, not much has changed. So you can add Kane, Meier, or Horovat...and the team still will really go only as far as the goalie will let them. Why? Because guys like Kakko, Miller, and Chytil are still just scratching the surface as to what they can be. And others like LaF, Schneider, and Krav (if he stays around) still have an awful lot to learn. That's more than 25% of the roster just mentioned...w/o mention of a few more players in bottom 6 and bottom pair who NYR realistically need to upgrade. So yeah- in my opinion this team is nowhere near the level of 3-4 other eastern teams and 2 or 3 western teams. They are not ready for a realistic Cup push. So rather than expend premium assets for unrealistic expectations, I feel it is a much better idea to move maybe a few distant prospects and/or later picks to upgrade the bottom 6, bottom pair, and provide some depth. And then- get behind Shest to again see how far he takes us!
Forum:
Armchair-GM
mar. à 10 h 23
Sujet:
NYR 2023 Cup Run
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>It was during the Hockey Canada Foundations Golf and Gala event months after the WJC-20. No specifics have come out about that whole situation yet, but, using process of elimination, I think it is pretty clear that Formenton is the main culprit in the whole thing. I think they are trying to keep things hush hush, sweep it under the rug, and hope everyone just forgets about it while Formenton just fades away in Europe. Same thing CHI has been doing with the Beach situation. They think getting rid of everyone and moving on is enough. But it really isn't, and they are going to need to talk publicly and openly sooner or later.
That all being said, yeah, Formenton holds little to no value at this time, and most likely will never play in the NHL again.</div></div>
Thanks for that info...unfortunately it supports what I was thinking. Coupled with the NHL's track record for dealing with "uncomfortable issues", does seem his future is all about Europe.
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Armchair-GM
mar. à 9 h 51
Sujet:
NYR 2023 Cup Run
Not too clear on the Formenton situation- I do believe a deadline has passed by which he would have signed to play this year...In any case, I think he's somehow mixed in the allegations against the Team Canada Junior Team from a few years back. Several players have gone out of their way to distance themselves from whatever happened- haven't heard a peep from Formenton (or his agent)...yet remained unsigned. Not a good look. Not looking to pass bad info- if I'm wrong here...please someone clarify. But if he was in fact involved in whatever happened during that tournament- he probably wont be welcome in the NHL any time soon.
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Armchair-GM
mar. à 8 h 34
Sujet:
Deadline with new lines
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HOCKEYBOY448</b></div><div>What is the obsession with Kane? Everyone seems to live in a fairly land thinking they trade for him and it means a cup. The Rangers made countless deals like that in the 2010’s and guess what they never worked. Repeating the mistakes of yesterday will further destroy any chance this team has at one day winning a cup. Teams that win cups develop from within and surround those guys with talent. The biggest issue is how impatient people are and that’s what will be the downfall of this team.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mvp13</b></div><div>And how does acquiring one player destroy the idea of "develop from within"? Nearly half of this roster was drafted by NYR, or acquired at very young ages? Kravstov is just not going to make it on this team. NYR wants to win now, letting go of him is a small price to pay.
Patrick Kane is an extremely different case of other players NYR have gotten as rentals... one is a first ballot Hall of Famer, the other is Eric Staal... there's really no comparison. NYR have the expendable assets to make this move without hurting their future in any noticeable way.</div></div>
2 different perspectives here. Let me start by saying it's refreshing to see the way Hockeyboy goes against against the impatience which for sure has derailed this team in the past. The thing is...it's not really about their willingness to go all in at TDL- it's reckless risk taking. It actually starts with an assessment of the group. Is this team REALLY P. Kane away winning the Cup? I say no...so with this assessment- why give up premium assets for someone who wont be here next year- when this group (should) be much more ready to push hard and compete for the Cup?
And MVP, no disrespect to your opinion...you seem to think that because it is P. Kane we are talking here- that the risk is acceptable to take on to try to win this year. If that is your take- then fair enough...I just see it as short sighted. Reason being- my assessment of the risk they take on with getting Kane:
1. Cost. Who knows what that 1st becomes, or if Z. Jones is the next Nils, or if Krav finds his way. But in this Cap era, no team is ever done compiling prospects and building from within. And 1 more thing about prospects...maybe if NYR prospect pool were set up more like BUF or DAL prospect pools I'd be more willing to part with the 2023 1st...but reality is beyond Jones, the only prospect projected for "quick" impact at NHL is Othmann- yet I'd like to see him play beyond junior before I rush to that judgement. NYR are not done building the prospect pool.
2. Chemistry- the assumption is made this is no issue because the way he has played with Panarin...but there others on ice, on the bench, in locker room, etc. Chemistry is always a question when the lineup is changed- ESPECIALLY changed with a main piece.
3. What is really being improved? It might be unfair to say Kane is what this year's #'s say...but any semblance of truth there- and Kane has become a PP specialist. Will that help NYR? I guess- but where most help is needed on this team is 5X5 play. I think the current roster already has the players to have a lethal PP..."More lethal" not really a bonus if 5x5 play continues to lag.
4. Health- in a league where health and injury info is kept air tight, most info out there about Kane's hip is probably noise...but doesn't mean to disregard. Especially as NHL players get though early 30's, injuries- not just debilitating, but also nagging injuries- become much more prevalent.
5. Beyond this year- The ONLY certainty...unless there is a major roster shakeup, Kane will not be a NYR come training camp 2023.
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Armchair-GM
lun. à 18 h 22
Sujet:
The Sorokin Dilemma
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>The Sabres aren't cup contenders yet and they have UPL and Levi with time to develop them as well. The cost is too much. I didn't say Sorokin isn't good</div></div>
Fair enough…you know your team and prospects better than me. All I’m saying is that for almost any team Sorokin checks a major box now and well into the future. But of course the cost- of obtaining AND extending has to be considered.
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Armchair-GM
lun. à 17 h 44
Sujet:
The Sorokin Dilemma
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>The Sabres don't need a goalie. Sorokin is good but that cost is preventative.</div></div>
Sorokin is an insane goalie....any team knocking on the door to a Cup contention window would be crazy not to consider him (if he is available)- unless a top notch goalie is already on the roster
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Armchair-GM
lun. à 8 h 12
Sujet:
Bo Deadline
NYR say no
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 8 h 45
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4 Lines Kane offer might be a lowball offer
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Come on man, a hip impingement doesn't mean a hip replacement LMAO. It's a arthroscopic procedure to clean out the hip joint (the ball and socket in lame man's terms)...2 hour procedure if that. 30% of the general public has one and most people don't even know it unless they push themselves physically.
Kane's not engaged because he's surrounded by one of the worst teams the league, certainly the Hawks, has ever seen. It's understandable from that perspective. Hard to stay motivated to play at a high level when the front office is saying "Patty, we're tanking" and all the trade talk he has to hear from the media, friends, family, etc.
I also didn't explain he's considerably worth more then a 1st. Reading comprehension buddy</div></div>
Reading comprehension?? Really?
Come on, Hawk…very mild put down- but nevertheless an insult unrelated to hockey…Please excuse me if I took your comments for another in the sea of commenters who believe the return on Kane should be at or better than the Giroux return- which was significantly worth more than a single 1st. But if you want to start going down the insult route…I’m not interested in that type of back and forth.
As far as your response to him being disengaged- I get it…not a fun situation to be in- but he is a professional- and well paid at that. I really can’t comment further because I’m not around him every day, in the locker room, witnessing effort at practices, etc…but just sayin- those who mail it in when the going gets tough- are probably not who I’d want to add for a grueling Cup run.
Regarding the hip- even if I were a Dr., I couldn’t diagnose him from internet info- let alone from info here! Maybe it’s something of concern, maybe it’s not…all this “noise” is part of the “game” which goes on leading up to 3/3. Im sure whatever team picks him up, that team’s doctor would have a say.
In the end, everything I’ve said about Kane- none is meant to diminish what he is as a player or what he’s accomplished. I just think that for the amount of risk NYR would be taking on in adding him, their chance at winning the Cup is too marginally improved (if improved at all).
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Armchair-GM
sam. à 23 h 52
Sujet:
Deadline moves
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>Tarasenko has been hurt multiple times this season and is hurt RIGHT NOW and no one is batting an eyelash over it. Kanes health status is WAAAYYYY overblown. He missed a week of play and has 2 points in 3 games since coming back and he looks fine.</div></div>
Other than sentimentalities associated with reuniting Panarin and Kane, there really is no reason for NYR to provide other than a minimal offer for Kane…A lot of risk would be taken on yet Kane doesn’t really move the needle for NYR where they need the most improvement: 5x5 play!
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Armchair-GM
sam. à 22 h 12
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4 Lines Kane offer might be a lowball offer
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HOCKEYBOY448</b></div><div>Thank you. Senko if healthy is the best option to help this team.</div></div>
Agreed…
I’m just not liking “if healthy”
Between questions about his health…his cost…the question (nobody seems to consider) regarding team chemistry AFTER the trade…it all adds up to TOO RISKY- so stay away, Drury- this should be the year for a few small, under the radar moves…the big splash will most likely be regretted.
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