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On Trade Deadline day- read explanation or you wont understand

Créé par: Fran615
Date de création initiale: 27 août 2022
Publié: 27 août 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
This is when I go into PURE SPECULATION of course, please allow me.
Just like drafting, predicting the future is always a sure way to fail.

This is anticipating decent productions from the players flipped at the trade deadline to contenders who would draft in the 1st round somewhere around 26-32.

DROUIN: on pace for a 15-20G 25-35A so about 50 points, where he can usually hit. If he stays healthy, which no one can know for sure.

DADONOV: on pace for a 20-25G 25-35A so about 55 points, where he can usually hit. If he stays healthy, which no one can know for sure.

MONAHAN: Biggest speculation of all, let's pretend he is on pace for 25-30G 35-40A so about 60 points. If he stays healthy, which no one can know for sure.

I KNOW - these trades are bad. Got it!

But the Habs would likely tank for the remainder of the season and shoot for a Top-5 pick in the 2023 draft with their own pick.

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This is for day 40:

- Monahan has left LTIR and in the lineup

- Byron has left LTIR, and straight to waivers where no one picks him up and sent to AHL.

- Price now gets on LTIR; so that it is a IN-SEASON LTIR, so that there will be no swinging come trade deadline (those who know how LTIR works will get it).

- If the Habs are able to have some decent production from Armia and have a team pick him up, that will open up a lot of cap space to take on more cap dumps later on.
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This was for Day 1:

- Sean Monahan should be put on OFF-season LTIR and removed when he comes back. LTIR is available as long as Monahan doesn't come back before 30 days.

- No one will pick up Byron so sent down to AHL. But he will start also on LTIR in the OFF-SEASON

- Carey Price should only be put there if he starts the season on LTI -- and then put on LTIR. It's complex but there IS a difference . IN SEASON LTIR can be totally taken off the books - not if it is put there before Day 1. So best option is to put Price on Day 1. So Carey Price, contrary to Monahan and Byron, WILL remain on the LTIR all year, so best to put him on there on Day 1 and not before.

- Both Monahan AND Byron will be taken off the LTIR about 1, 2 or 3 months in season. So that will leave the Habs the opportunity to play with retained salaries at the trade deadline, with Dadonov, Monahan and Drouin.

- The ONLY real hope is that someone picks up Mike Hoffman on waivers... although it is not needed right away.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Dach, Kirby22 000 000 $
Primeau, Cayden2900 000 $
Transactions
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MTL
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    WAIVERS
    (the cap space works like this even with Deadwood Hoffman on the roster)
    CHI
    1. Hoffman, Mike
    Détails additionnels:
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    Any team
    2.
    MTL
    1. 2023 1e round pick (NYR)
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    I know, I know, you guys pass without hesitation right?
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    Just pure speculation
    NYR
    1. Dadonov, Evgeni (2 500 000 $ retained)
    2. 2023 3e round pick (MTL)
    Détails additionnels:
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    READ EXPLANATION
    3.
    MTL
    1. 2023 1e round pick (COL)
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    I know, I know, you guys pass without hesitation right?
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    Just pure speculation
    COL
    1. Drouin, Jonathan (2 750 000 $ retained)
    2. 2023 4e round pick (VGK)
    3. 2023 5e round pick (CGY)
    Détails additionnels:
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    4.
    MTL
    1. 2023 1e round pick (STL)
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    I know, I know, you guys pass without hesitation right?
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    Just pure speculation
    STL
    1. Monahan, Sean (3 187 500 $ retained)
    2. 2023 6e round pick (MTL)
    Détails additionnels:
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    5.
    MTL
    1. 2023 3e round pick (VGK)
    VGK
    1. Allen, Jake (1 437 500 $ retained)
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    MTL
    1. 2024 3e round pick (PIT)
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    Assuming he has a decent bounce back season and is on the 18G 22A for 40pts range
    PIT
    1. Armia, Joel
    Détails additionnels:
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    ANY TEAM
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    MTL
    1. Gardiner, Jake
    2. 2024 4e round pick (CAR)
    Détails additionnels:
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    Using some free cap space to help other teams
    CAR
    1. 2024 7e round pick (EDM)
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    Any team
    Any similar expiring UFA contract that could be moved for Trade Deadline acquisition
    Rachats de contrats
    • Karl Alzner: 833 333 $
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    • Evgeni Dadonov: 2 500 000 $ (50%)
    • Jonathan Drouin: 2 750 000 $ (50%)
    • Sean Monahan: 3 187 500 $ (50%)
    • Jake Allen: 1 437 500 $ (50%)
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
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    2024
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    2025
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2382 500 000 $69 757 499 $1 132 500 $5 070 000 $12 742 501 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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    Slafkovsky, Juraj
    950 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 3
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    Suzuki, Nick
    7 875 000 $
    C
    UFA - 8
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    Caufield, Cole
    880 833 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
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    Anderson, Josh
    5 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 5
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    Dach, Kirby
    2 000 000 $
    C, AD
    RFA - 4
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    Gallagher, Brendan
    6 500 000 $
    AD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 5
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    Pitlick, Rem
    1 100 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 2
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    Dvorak, Christian
    4 450 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 3
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    Ylönen, Jesse
    880 833 $
    AD, AG
    RFA - 1
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    Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël
    825 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
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    Evans, Jake
    1 700 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 3
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    Byron, Paul
    3 400 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
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    Pezzetta, Michael
    750 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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    Matheson, Michael
    4 875 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 4
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    Savard, David
    3 500 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 3
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    Montembeault, Samuel
    1 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
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    Edmundson, Joel
    3 500 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 2
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    Barron, Justin
    925 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
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    Primeau, Cayden
    900 000 $
    G
    RFA - 3
    Logo de MTL
    Harris, Jordan
    842 500 $
    DG/DD
    RFA - 1
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    Gardiner, Jake
    4 050 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 1
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    Schueneman, Corey
    750 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de MTL
    Wideman, Chris
    762 500 $
    DD
    UFA - 2
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Logo de MTL
    Price, Carey
    10 500 000 $
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 4

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    27 août à 13 h 21
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    Please read explanation - just trying stuff around, not pretending to be right
    27 août à 13 h 22
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    You can only retain salary three times
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    i think your going to be really disappointed
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    27 août à 13 h 25
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    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    i think your going to be really disappointed


    “Jeff Petry will fetch a first round pick” — Habs fans
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    27 août à 13 h 25
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    Quoting: Isles5513
    You can only retain salary three times


    Oh, thank you, good to know!
    I didn't know that rule!
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    27 août à 13 h 26
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    Oh, thank you, good to know!
    I didn't know that rule!


    I honestly can’t tell if ur trolling me rn lol. But I honestly didn’t know much about salary retention rules until Kessel stayed put at the deadline lol.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    i think your going to be really disappointed


    Always lol

    Have you ever posted anything here where people are 100% agreeing?

    But yeah, none of my stuff will happen, pretty sure about that.

    But Tamp Bay has given 1st round picks for players in the past and I was like "Whaaaaaaaattt?"
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    Quoting: Isles5513
    “Jeff Petry will fetch a first round pick” — Habs fans


    Every fan of every team overvalues their own players ;-p

    But yeah, I get your point my friend!

    I'm just having fun here
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    Quoting: Isles5513
    I honestly can’t tell if ur trolling me rn lol. But I honestly didn’t know much about salary retention rules until Kessel stayed put at the deadline lol.


    Not trolling at all man.
    Seriously didn't know that rule.

    I learned about the Off-season versus day 1 of season difference in LTIR last week
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    Quoting: Fran615
    Every fan of every team overvalues their own players ;-p

    But yeah, I get your point my friend!

    I'm just having fun here


    IK lol. With Drouin and Dadanov I could c each guy fetching a third. Allen is probably the same. And I don’t c a Monahan bounce back happening cause of his injury history and production over the past 3 years. It could happen and for his sake I hope it does, but I’m a skeptic.
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    Quoting: Isles5513
    I honestly can’t tell if ur trolling me rn lol. But I honestly didn’t know much about salary retention rules until Kessel stayed put at the deadline lol.


    All people do on here is ****, mock, troll people who post. It gets old. Wasted energy.
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    Quoting: Isles5513
    IK lol. With Drouin and Dadanov I could c each guy fetching a third. Allen is probably the same. And I don’t c a Monahan bounce back happening cause of his injury history and production over the past 3 years. It could happen and for his sake I hope it does, but I’m a skeptic.


    Thank you for your reply. Makes sense. Drouin, Dadonov, Monahan, one of them could collapse, or bounce back, or injure himself. There might be one of those who fetches nothing at all, not even picked up on waivers. Another could fetch a 2nd maybe (the one who bounces back).

    Pure, unsweetened speculation.

    But your take is most likely closer to reality.

    But it's always cool to imagine a stack of 1st lol.

    That's why I add later round picks, but that rarely comes to fruition to fetch the all-precious first.
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    Quoting: Fran615
    Thank you for your reply. Makes sense. Drouin, Dadonov, Monahan, one of them could collapse, or bounce back, or injure himself. There might be one of those who fetches nothing at all, not even picked up on waivers. Another could fetch a 2nd maybe (the one who bounces back).

    Pure, unsweetened speculation.

    But your take is most likely closer to reality.

    But it's always cool to imagine a stack of 1st lol.

    That's why I add later round picks, but that rarely comes to fruition to fetch the all-precious first.


    I was really high on Drouin when he was with Tampa Bay, but I eventually realized that despite all the talent he has that he would never live up to his potential. Maybe he’s healthy next year, but I’m always gonna be disappointed when I watch him because he could’ve been so much better.
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    27 août à 13 h 40
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    You aren't getting a 1st for none of those players
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    Quoting: ProudUncle
    You aren't getting a 1st for none of those players


    Great, thank you for imparting your knowledge
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    Quoting: Isles5513
    I was really high on Drouin when he was with Tampa Bay, but I eventually realized that despite all the talent he has that he would never live up to his potential. Maybe he’s healthy next year, but I’m always gonna be disappointed when I watch him because he could’ve been so much better.


    No doubt. He had a "killer instinct" in juniors, and very early on... but something happened and he will never reach that ceiling again
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    Great, thank you for imparting your knowledge


    Dude first, you can't retain that much. 2nd, none of those players will be wanted for you to get that value
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    Quoting: ProudUncle
    Dude first, you can't retain that much. 2nd, none of those players will be wanted for you to get that value


    1- Absolutely. I didn't know about that rule about salary retainment

    2- Ok, sorry, I don't have my magic ball to read the future squinty smile

    But yeah, you may be 100% right too. Those players might combine for only one goal and be playing in the KHL next year. No one knows.
    27 août à 13 h 50
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    The interesting thing is. If those players are all hitting the numbers you speculate they will... How far is this team out of a playoff spot?
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    The interesting thing is. If those players are all hitting the numbers you speculate they will... How far is this team out of a playoff spot?


    Glad I read all the comments before posting, cuz that's exactly what I was going to say. If literally all a team's players exceed expectations, then they likely don't blow it up at the deadline, lol.
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    Quoting: Anus_McLeod
    Glad I read all the comments before posting, cuz that's exactly what I was going to say. If literally all a team's players exceed expectations, then they likely don't blow it up at the deadline, lol.


    Yeah. I am expecting a terrible year from Drouin unfortunately. He was playing in that 3-on-3 tournament along with Suzuki & Anderson and ended up dropping out after not scoring for 2 games. To be clear these were games where the final scores were 13 to 10 and guys like Charles Hudson were getting hat tricks.

    I don't think Drouin has an NHL shot anymore after his 2 wrist surgeries. Maybe he'll get stronger with time, but to be honest he's had plenty of time to recover.
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    Quoting: Fran615
    1- Absolutely. I didn't know about that rule about salary retainment

    2- Ok, sorry, I don't have my magic ball to read the future squinty smile

    But yeah, you may be 100% right too. Those players might combine for only one goal and be playing in the KHL next year. No one knows.


    Simply try being realistic instead of poking the bear. No team wants cap, especially bad cap. Start by tempering it down to a 5th at least. Hence the quick "shouldn't have to tell you" remarks!!
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    You might get something for players on expiring contracts but not for Hoffman and Armia whose contracts extend past this season/
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    The Fantasyland I want this to happen but I don't want any backlash CFACGM's are always funny. Good job. 👍

    Edit: IIRC weren't you the one who told me Jeff Petry for Edvinsson and a 1st was a fair offer last season? There were so many Petry to Detroit trades on CFACGM.

    But that one definitely sticks out for me. My apologies if it wasn't you.
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    Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
    The Fantasyland I want this to happen but I don't want any backlash CFACGM's are always funny. Good job. 👍


    Hahahahaha so good
     
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